Has anyone really tried whether or not it is best just using the vocal settings from the ToneMatch Audio Engine selections and effects or instead using the a TC Helicon Tone Create or the HarmonyG voice pedals? Our duo has two Bose L1 Model 1 systems and we were looking at either getting the Audio Engine to round out the vocals or get the TC Helicon offerings. Will they do basically the same things or is one better for vocals? Thanks. Brian

Just picked up the TC Helicon HarmonyG today. My initial impression is that the effects and tone adjustments are much more efficiently done in the T1. There is less flexibility in the TC.

I think my hookup will likely be to have my mic go direct to the TC. I will then use the dry output to the T1 into ch 1. The harmonies will then use the other output into the T1 on ch 2.

I don't think I'll use any effects at all from the TC and choose to add them separatelt to each channel in the T1.

My guitar will go dry into the TC and then dry out to the effects pedal and then to the T1 on ch 3.

At some point, I'll try the same exact setup but with the addition of reverb, compression, tone etc from the TC just to hear the difference. However, I think the reverb can only be selected (hall, room, etc) and not modified at all. Same with the tone. You get 4 generic presets like "warmth" etc.....not much flexibility.

JD

Thanks JD, for the input. I almost had bought the Harmony G, but was scared off becasue of what the manual said about possible feedback if the speaker was behind you. Thus, possibly defeating a benefit of the L1. I wonder if the the Tone Create would be the same. Does the Bose T1 have nice voice shaping? The T1's price, more than anything is holding me back right now, so the TC models are more affordable. BUt, in the same instance, I don't want equipment that doesn't work flawlessly with the L1. Will I have an easier and better vocal set up with the Bose T1 Audio Engine overall. I don't like a bunch of extra equipment and wires either. Can anyone else give their experience on these issues. Thanks again everyone. Brian

There is the chance for feedback when the harmonizer engages. Prior to this unit, I've had the Vocalist by Digitech. At loud volumes it may feedback with 2 part harmonies engaged. However, with the T1 i've been able to zero in on the offending frequencies at times and minimize the problem.

I too use the Digitech VL2 with the Bose behind me with good results. Keep in mind that high volume is not as necessary with the Bose system to get good coverage.

Respect,
Col. Andy

Thanks guys. It sounds to me that the idea of 'harmony' machines, in themselves, are the issue. It also seems that going back to the Bose T1 for 'correction', is where the answer to the various problems lie. So, going soley to the T1 could solve the problem of running too many pieces of equipment, feedback or creating more problematic issues than a musician needs. The Bose L1 system is supposed to make life easier, so it seems this answers my questions. I just want a good and full vocal, not a 'processed' one. My voice is fine as it is. I just want it to cut through with shape and character. So, I guess I'm saving my nickels for the Bose T1 to round out our L1 systems. Thanks again. Bri

Bri....I wouldn't use the TC for anything but harmonies. All vocal effects are best left to the T1. If you don't need the cheap harmonies, the TC is of no use to you.

JD

JD1 I second that for the Digitech VL2 also. I only use it for one harmony part and the tuner. I use a little reverb on the T1. I do use the digitech's tuner because it is easy to see LEDs and footswitch operated. It seldom disagrees with the T1's tuner.
Respect

JD1 and Col. Andy, thanks again for the added response. You've helped me decide for sure. I'm going for the T1 only. Oh, last thing with this. Is the T1 going to be doubling up (or become redundant) on the ToneMatch choices as my L1 Model 1 has now? Am I going to get enough added value with the T1 over just going with the L1 presets alone? Especially for voice. Does that make sense to you both? Thanks. BRi

Bri...I have the model 2 so I can't answer your question...

JD

toonman: On my model 1 I use the 00 setting and let the T1 do the work. You get the presets on the T1 and then you can tweek them to your sound, or adjust to the room etc.

Respect,
Col. Andy

Hi toonman~
You have probably seen this already, but I thought I would include the link to the T1 Tonematch Audio Engine simulator. Just take a look and do some exploring.

Note the zEQ, ParaEQ, Comp/Gate, Mod, Delay, Reverb options available to you on EACH channel of the T1. These are all in addition to the presets available.

Oh, and one last thing, if you are going to use it with a L1 Classic or Model 1, be sure to pick up the optional AC adapter. You'll need it to power the T1.

John, Thanks for your input on this, much appreciated. Thanks for the link, too. I must have missed that simulator somehow during the many times I've been on the BOse site. I'm going to play around with it adn get a feel for it. From what everyone has said and my own gut feeling, I'm going with the T1. Thanks. Brian

I realize that this thread is a bit dated... but not much.
The settings between the HarmonyG and the T1 is something that still puzzles me greatly. But since I like to tweak around... it's a nice challenge, albeit not as nice when you're in a hurry setting up for a gig.

I have found that the Utility-> 80Hz Highpass setting on the T1 is good...if you use the Harmony G's "Tone" funtcion. It has a built in "adaptive eq", compressor and de-esser, and sounds VERY good when plugged right into 2 powered speakers. The L1MII/T1 presents a new challenge. So I thought that the best way to mimic a powered speaker setup, was to leave things pretty much alone on the T1. The Utility->80Hz Highpass preset is very adequate for if you have to run BOTH vocals and ac. guitar through the same channel...no... even with the guitar through going to another channel, I think this sounds better. It leaves the harmonies sounding MUCH more natural than if you use a Mic preset on your T1.

It also has the benefit of "adding" inputs to your T1 if you have several singers with guitars.

The Harmony G's "Tone" function... adds some issues with my L1MII, however. a "squeal" that I can not hear... but people with less abused ears than mine, hear it clearly...and it's not a pretty sound. I cal "feel" it, though... like a light fizz... but it doesn't disturb me.

This "Tone" function is very helpful, and leaves T1 functions free to be used. I personally also like the Harmony G's reverb and other effects. My buddy uses it with his L1 Compact, in through the Line Channel to add some reverb, and it leaves the harmonies sounding great.

The issues mostly come (as others have experienced) when adding mic's and instruments to other channels on the T1.

In all, I prefer the Harmony G to the VoiceLive. I just wish that there were 2 presets on the T1: "TC Tone ON" and "TC Tone OFF"