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I read a lot of the discussions regarding microphones and their suitability for the L1 system. The EV967 seems to be favourite. My question is, how suitable is it for open mic where amateur singers come sing their songs with the band. You can't expect them to have a good mike technique and even though I keep telling them to "eat the mike" they usually are 1-3" away. Could be the thought of germs too. We do have a foam thingy over the mike. Right now we use a Samson Q7 for guest mic and it works ok, but sometimes I can't get enough volume before feedback kicks in. Some of our guest singers have a soft voice that doesn't project well. And yes they should take singing lessons but we're talking about people who sing for fun, not professionals. Does anyone have any suggestions for a mic that works well with the L1 given the open mic situation.
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Hi Stephanie,
I can't think of any microphone that will overcome poor microphone technique in a live sound setting. If you use microphones that are highly directional to avoid feedback, people need to be right on the microphone or else they just won't be heard, or if they are, the tone will suffer for the distance or angle. The microphone ToneMatch® Presets are all designed for use with close microphone technique. As you know, you lose the benefit of the presets if you back off the microphone. You could share that information with your guest performers. They probably don't care about the Presets, but you can tell them that they will get the best sound with the best technique. For positive reinforcement, you can encourage people to get their own foam windscreens and bring them to open mic night. That gives ownership of that issue to the guest performers. If you are feeling generous, you could buy some and wash them between shows. Or buy them and offer to let people reimburse you for them as if they take them home. This should allay some of the concern about germs. Here is a reminder of how I approach the behavioural aspect of 'eating the mic'.
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Thank you ST. You have helped me tremendously since I bought the 2 L1's. I'm getting to know its limits and how best to work the mixer. However, there is always room for improvement and although I am able to hold back the feedback, I'd like a little bit more headroom just in case. It seems to me that the EV967 is louder than the Samson Q7 which we presently use and since you have to be close with both, the EV967 might be a better choice. Next question. Would this mic be better for a dobro too. We use a Shure 57 but you really have to crank that one up.
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Hi Stephanie,
About the dobro and the Shure SM57, you got some great information in your other discussion about Dobro Miked with L1® Model II. As far as having to "crank that one up", are you concerned about the dials on the equipment? As long as you can get the volume you need without feedback, then the position of the dials doesn't matter. While we are talking about that, you mentioned headroom. Headroom Some people look at the dials, look at where they are on the dial, look at how much is apparently available between where they are and the maximum... and think of this as headroom. Is that what you mean when you said, "However, there is always room for improvement and although I am able to hold back the feedback, I'd like a little bit more headroom just in case." If so, then let me encourage you to use the full range of the controls and don't be concerned about "just in case". If you never use it, it isn't doing anything for you. |
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To me headroom is like this. A 4cyl car doing 150 miles per hour and an 8cyl doing 150 miles per hour. The 4cyl is at max capacity, the 8cyl has headroom and can still go a lot faster. If I have to put the gain on one mic at 3 o'clock (3/4 up) and everything else is set pretty normal (unity gain or close to unity gain), then that tells me something is out of wack. That's really what the controls do for me.
I sure did get some great info in the dobro discussion. |
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Hi Stephanie,
I see we are pretty much on the same track here at least as far as analogies go. Just for fun: Speaking in metric... (even though we were both probably raised on imperial). My six cylinder car revs at 4000 rpm at 140 km/hour. My eight cylinder car revs at about 2200 rpm to go the same speed. Does the eight have more headroom? It would appear so from the position of the pointers on the tachometers. And to add to this sense of headroom, the speedo on the little car goes up to 220 and the big guy goes up well beyond that. But as a practical matter, there will be other limiting factors that will come into play long before I hit any of the implied maximums. When reading the controls I don't worry about headroom until I actually run into a limit. Besides, the controls are probably not linear. For example - on the L1® Model I Remote, there is really very little to be gained by turning the Master Level beyond 12:00 o'clock. It doesn't sound as though you have hit the limits of the controls. The limiting factors seem to be things that are downstream from the controls; things like room acoustics, bass response, microphone technique, absolute volume of the sound sources (how loud is that dobro?). |
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The dobro is just loud enough, but if I turn it up just a hair you can hear the feedback starting. Part of the problem is, in my opinion, is that she needs to hit the strings harder, however, she does have carpal tunnel and it probably would hurt too much sometimes. That's what got me thinking about the EV 967 which is supposed to be a "loud" mic.
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Hi Stephanie,
I found some interesting info about mic'ing Dobros. I put that over in your Dobro related discussion. |
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Try the Heil Fin microphone. I use it for karaoke & it is awesome. It also has that cool chrome vintage from the 50's but sounds like a million bucks unlike the mic's from the 50's (I have one from the 50's too
 ). But seriously this is a great mic for vocals & I used a bunch from all different brands & this is by far the best. It sounds allot like the Heil PR 20 but a little brighter. Give it a try & I bet you'll love it.We've Got The Tools, We've Got The Talent! Ghostbusters |
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Thanks for your suggestion. I will check it out.
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