hello Bose users ...

i was wondering .. I really want to buy the Bose L1 first or second system ... but is it suitable to our group ? i mean does it match our purpose and style ?

here's our usual set up : 4 vocalists, classical repertoire and pop songs style mainly and only one instrument : electro acoustic or even classical guitar with schetler mic

what should i consider , one L1 or 2 ?

thanks for your advice ..

enjoy your music everybody

Hi mayabis,

Please tell us more about your music:

• What kind(s) of music you play? You have said classical repertoire and pop songs style, but could you be more specific.
  
• Could you describe the 4 vocalists (Male/Female, Bass, Tenor, Alto, Soprano etc.)
  This could give us some insight into how much separation you might want in the sound.
  
• Where you do perform (size, type of venue)?
  
• Who is there (audience) - how many, what are they doing while you are performing?
  
• Do you have a web site?
  
• If no web site, could you post a picture of your ensemble?
  

All of this can help us come to some suggestions for your configuration.

Thank you.

sorry I think my attachment was too large

argh ... my post was refused .. here it is again .. please forgive me ... I am a newbie

Our ensemble is usually SATB and classical guitar or electroacoustic guitar

2 male and 2 female vocalists, performing either in quartet duet or trio

our repertoire ranges from classical (purcell, Bach ...) to opera cavatinas, or pop songs with percussion (bongos, congas, maracas or tambourine ...)

sometimes solo instrumental

our audiences range from 100 to 300 and our performances are mostly musical banquets so far .. although we are planning dancing gigs

thanks for reading me ... hope I can hear from you soon ...

quote:

Originally posted by mayabis:
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what should i consider , one L1 or 2 ?

Hi mayabis,

while more informations (see ST's questions) would help to give more precise answers, I would consider 2 L1's (or if space and money is no issue even more).
We were using one L1 for 6 voices (4 female, 2 male) together with a.guitar and keyboard for over two years.
We coud hear and control our own voices (and instruments) much much better, than we could with the PA approach we used before.

Now - since a few months - we occasionally are using 2 L1's, which again greatly improved the ability to seperate/hear its own voice/instrument. Why? Because each L1 provides only 3 voices and 1 instrument as opposed one L1 with 6 voices and 2 instruments from one point. We send every voice/instrument on either of the two L1's, separating similar sound sources by distributing them on either of the two L1's (e.g. two fem.voices only on 1st-L1 and two fem.voices only onto the 2nd-L1, ...).

So though it takes a bit more time and effort in setting up the systems, we appreciate having 2 L1's over having only one L1.

If you have a possibility to test one vs. two L1 in a guitar center (or taking use of the 45 day trial periode) I would strongly recommend such a comparison.

Wolfgang

sorry, i probably made an error posting .... our ensemble is 54 vocalists (2 males, 2 females) and a guitar, electro-acoustic. sometimes percussions

our repertoire is classical , bach, mozart ...opera, AND more modern songs - either in quatuor, solo, duos ..

seeing you made 2 years with only one L1 (and sytem 1 I guess as the new system is recent ...) I assume we could make a start with only one L1 as well ..

is the bass required for vocals ?

thanks for your time

4 vocalists sorry four !!! F.O.U.R !!! stupid me

quote:

Originally posted by mayabis:
sorry I think my attachment was too large

Looks good now!

In a setting such as shown in your photo (which looks to be in a house), a single L1 (back where the guitar case is) could be a nice addition -- but you would need a mixer for 4 or 5 mics. Does the guitarist sing, too? That is, are there a total of just 4 in the group or sometimes 5?

In large spaces (e.g. rooms for 40 people or more) then you would generally be able to use two Systems to an advantage. Not so much to get louder, but for the clarity you'd get from having one male and female voice per L1.

If only 4 mics are needed (that is, if the electroacoustic is used when all 4 voices are singing), then with two Model I Systems you wouldn't even need to use an additional mixer.

However, to get the really best sound from the guitars, you would probably want to get a ToneMatch (T1).

If I were setting up for this group, I would get two T1's (the small mixers) -- that provides enough inputs for mics and the guitars without having any complications in setting up -- and two L1 Systems (with a single B1 each). Choice? The Model I is less expensive; the Model II is simpler to pack & carry, more elegant-looking set up (smaller base), and the T1's wouldn't need an external power supply.

If the guitarist plays other places, he may want his own L1 System; it would not be amiss to use 3 L1's with that group (particularly if there are 5 people altogether). The guitarist ought to try using 2 B1's on their L1; many guitarists find they like the additional low-end "headroom" they get with 2 B1's ... but it depends somewhat on the musical style.

FYI: Posts are 'delayed' in appearing ... be patient and they will show up.

To all,

Here is a Sketch done for mayabis by Xavier-at-Bose.



-- click image to make changes to the live version --
Legend
L1® Model II
T1 ToneMatch® audio engine
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue filled numbers are Channel connections to/from the T1 ToneMatch® audio engine.
Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.

Xavier's second version of the Sketch.

This is mayabis' modification to Xavier's Sketch.



-- click image to make changes to the live version --

Legend
L1® Model II
T1 ToneMatch® audio engine
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue filled numbers are Channel connections to/from the T1 ToneMatch® audio engine.
Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.

sorry guys the second version is by myself ... I was trying another setting and saved it by mistakes .. duh ! told you I was a newbie ! sorry Xavier, I didnt mean to embarass you

Hello mayabis,

No one is embarrassed. There is no obvious provision in the Sketcher where you can state that you are adding to another person's Sketch. You could have added it in the notes, but really - no harm done here.

I have changed my introduction to the second Sketch above.

Don't worry Mayabis, I'm not embarrassed.