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Originally posted by Drumr:
I often analyze things a little too much.
So if I had to make one critical statement on this gig, judging by the video's audio (which is shakey),
it's that singers really need to be up close to the mic for the vocals to really be on top of the mix.
I notice that I can't always understand every word here like I can in the videos of my own band.
Most everyone around here knows this, eating-the-mic is the preferred approach.

I will say that at-the-gig, my band knows this, and we know that when our vocal is (too) loud to ourselves on stage, we are just right for the audience, and our vocals are on top of the mix.

Now some might prefer their vocals down in the mix and that's fine for some styles of (rock) music,
but I wish in this case I'd have suggested to the Sheerins that they get in closer for a fuller,
more "on top" sound. I did in fact mention this to the guitarist, Danny at the break, and he did move in.
The clip here is before I mentioned that.

I'm sure that they were hearing themselves better than ever before and because of that
felt no need to move in closer and be louder than they thought they should.
It's only after singing thru these systems for three years that I have realized
how we go about achieving our sound.

Am I correct in this observation?

If so, then do we need to compensate on stage for what we want the audience to hear?
What we hear is not exactly what the audience hears, mix-wise.
In my case, I often think my backing vocal is too loud, because I am close to my own L1.
But out front, according to video, it's just right or maybe even down just a bit in the mix.

I'm not really sure what I'm trying to say here, but this leads me to believe that recording performances
might be a good thing to do, just so we know what we are doing and how we are being perceived.



Hi Pete,

I agree - we need to talk about this. I have often thought that it is fair to say that we are listening to the same amplified sources as our audiences. This is not true with monitors or in-ear-monitors of course. But are we hearing the same thing - no. If we sing - we hear our voice differently than anyone else does. If we are playing a acoustic instrument, then up to the point that the amplified sound is louder than the unamplified sound, we are hearing things differently. If we are closer to our L1™ than to the others' L1™s then we are probably hearing a slightly different mix.

This certainly highlights the role of a music director and harks back to many of the comments made by Cliff Goodwin - in How to Play Better

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Very quickly, 'cause I gotta be...

Pete and I talked more about this at lunch today. It's curious, isn't it? The "new approach" basically does away with the sound man, but it might be a good idea to have someone you really trust in this regard to help get you squared away, then you can develop a memory for your sound, whatever it may be.

I have more on this, but I must go continue to develop a kitchen. Hope to jump back in.

BBE
 
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In reference to eating the mic, I played an outdoor venue yesterday that I have played for 18 summers. About this time of year each summer the gnats start being a real problem. They try to fly into every nook & cranny on your face that they can - ears, eyes, nose, mouth. I can put repellent in my ears, around my eyes, & around my nose, but I really don't want to have it in my mouth, so the the only solution is to absolutely stay on the mic to keep the gnats out of my mouth. I thought about what a great teaching technique that would be for "eating the mic" yesterday.

As far as hearing vocals differently, I have had people tell me that my vocal was too low in reference to my guitar in a solo performance several times. With a band it's not usually a problem, but the softer dynamics that solo playing allows seems to also let me hear my self in my own head vocally a little more & messes up the mix out front. It's not a recurring problem, but it's one I pay attention to now.

Tom
 
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About this time of year each summer the gnats start being a real problem.


I guess it's just coincidence, but this is also about the time when a Mountain Man should be taking his first bath of the year. Smile

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