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Hi everybody

I have a jazz combo (vocal, piano, acoustic bass, drums). The band use now a traditional PA system (mixer – amplifiers – effects – etc.) with Electrovoice Sx100+ loudspeakers, and with stage monitors.
I heard the Bose Personal Amplification System, and that is fantastic. Unfortunately I can’t change the extant PA system, because the PAS is so expensive for me.

I think I change only the speakers, and I’ll buy two Bose MA12 speakers, and two Bose MB4 subwoofers.

I like to know what is the difference between Bose PAS and MA12/MB4 system. (Of course I know, the PAS is an active system with mixer, and if I use the MA12/MB4 system, than I need the Panaray controller. But I have a Panaray controller.)

Thanks!
 
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MA12/MB4 is designed for fixed installations and the L1(PAS) is portable. The L1 also includes EQ settings for specific microphones and instruments. One MA12 is half the height of an L1 so you need two MA12 speakers stacked to equal one L1.

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This conversation is going on HERE and will help answer that question.

There are a number of opportunities, at this time, from our various channels to assist with the investment amount of retooling your system (from financing plans at both Guitar Center and Bose to multi-unit pricing).

Also, you may not need as much stuff as you think. Visit The Sketcher and follow the steps. From there we can help make some additional suggestions.
 
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Hi Jazzebel,

Here is your latest sketch - I can see now that you were not finished when you saved the previous one.



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Please confirm the total number of performers in your ensemble and tell us a little bit about your music.

How large are your typical venues? (physical size, size of audience)

What kinds of events do you play? I am trying to get a sense of what the audience is doing during your shows.

Do you ever mic the Drums?

With this little bit more information, I should be able to come up with an ideal stage layout for you and some ideas about using two L1&trades; in place of you existing PA.

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Hi ST!

We have 7-8 performers.
The typical venues are clubs, or smaller theater,
sometimes outdoor concerts for max. 200 people.
We play dixieland style.
Sometimes we use the drums with microphones.

Thanks
 
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Hey Jazzebel
We are also a Dixie land /swing band. There are only 5 of us and we currently have 4 L1 and 5 B1.We seem to use all four on the bigger gigs but we usually use 1 L1 2 B1s for the dinner clubs and small bars and 2 L1+4B1s for the medium venues with small stages. The band loves the Bose Personal Amplification System (L1) and we have had nothing but good feedback from the audiences and club owners.
Rick
Kings Of Swing using two L1
using 1L1

using three L1

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Hi again Jazzebel,

Here is an idea about how you could approach using two L1™ (double B1) Systems.


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We are splitting your stage into two zones: The green zone and the yellow zone.

Each L1™ is supporting the instruments in its zone. This is an 'organic' sort of approach and you will get to fine tune things just by moving the Systems until each player can hear her/himself - and - all the other players.

We use the mixer to route the inputs to the appropriate L1™ like this:


  1. All the inputs in the green zone (Vocal, Keyboard, Sax, Trumpet, two Drum mics) go the mixer and on the input strips - these are panned hard left. The left output from the mixer goes to the L1™ in the green zone.

  2. All the inputs in the yellow zone (Trombone, Banjo, Bass) go the mixer and on the input strips - these are panned hard right. The right output from the mixer goes to the L1™ in the yellow zone.

  3. You will want to experiment with where you will put the Trumpet (left side of right side) for better balance of frequency ranges. It might be better if it is in the green zone.


I have show two double B1 Systems because you will want that extra low end support for the Kick Drum and the Bass.

The Bass amp is still on the stage because you may want to experiment with it to see whether or not you really need it once you have heard the L1™

How does this look to you?
 
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