BACKGROUND
I was lucky enough to receive one of the recent model 2's and T1's that shipped. (I have 2 more T1's waiting to arrive).

TAYLOR PRESET
I use a Taylor acoustic with ES system.
I bought the Taylor because of their work with Bose, creating presets for their guitars.

With the Classic L1 I prefer going straight into the tower flat (preset 00),

But with the T1 and L1 model 2, I prefer the taylor jumbo preset.

FIDDLE and MANDOLIN
My wife plays fiddle and mandolin and sings and I back her up on guitar. The T1 and a single L1 model 2 are great for this setup. (She uses the same preset on fiddle and mandolin -- Percusion - general overhead! -- sorry - this sounds better to us than the electric violin setting in the T1)

We plug into the T1 as:
channel 1 - Sue vocal SM58
channel 2 - Jim backup vocal SM58
channel 3 - Jim guitar - Taylor jumbo preset
channel 4/5 - Sue fiddle and mandolin - Percusion general overhead preset!

REVERB
We love the T1's reverb. It's great for "haunting" slow violin, and just a one button press to kill the effects when moving to faster parts.

When I'm backing with a single strum per measure, I add some reverb, and then kill it when switching back to more agressive chording. (I can actually push the FX Mute button between strums without missing a beat - very cool).

We are finding that we like "a touch" of reverb on the lead parts (vocal or violin/fiddle), but that we like to keep reverb off the backup parts (guitar / 2nd vocal).

The reverb seems to add nicely to the lead, but it seems to muddy up the songs when added to the backup instruments / vocals. - I don't know why, this is just what I feel like I hear.

Sue has been practicing singing with this setup for a couple days. (She really likes it!)

SCENES
One feature that is really good - is the "scenes". I did not appreciate how useful this would be.

You get to name your own scenes -- so we named our "normal" setup --
JimV SueV guit fid
(The names just about line up over the channel buttons - instant channel labels without white tape!)

Another scene is:
flute guit fid mand
for when we play with a flutest and no-one sings.

This is a lot easier than remembering and resetting the "best" presets at the start of a gig, and better than remembering "what was scene 1?" --

Nice.


BEYOND PRACTIVE
Our first real gigs using the model 2 and T1 will be Saturday June 23rd - playing a trail run - fund raiser in the morning, and then a wedding in the afternoon.

The morning will be just myself and Sue - single L1 model 2 and T1, guitar, fiddle, mandolin, and an announcer microphone.

For the wedding we need more inputs and will bring out our classic L1s to suppliment our new model 2 / T1.

Jim Mead

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(She uses the same preset on fiddle and mandolin -- Percusion - general overhead! -- sorry - this sounds better to us than the electric violin setting in the T1)

Makes perfect sense to me...very percussive instruments.

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The reverb seems to add nicely to the lead, but it seems to muddy up the songs when added to the backup instruments / vocals

That surprises me...in the studio, just the opposite seems true. Reverb sets the backup vocal behind the lead.
Then again, the L1 changes much of what we knew in the past.

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(The names just about line up over the channel buttons - instant channel labels without white tape!)

Now that's cool!

Many thanks for your impressions.

Jim,

Unless someone beats you to it, I think you'll be the first customer to play a gig with a T1. Please report back on that too :-)

Thanks for the report of your first impressions...

Mike

Not so fast Mike,

Two of my friends recieved their T1's on Friday, June 1. They used theirs on gigs only 4 hours after opening the boxes ! They love 'em ! I wasn't able to hear them, I was at my own gig but they both called me in the morning to brag about how cool it was !
I'm patiently awaiting mine from GC.

Oh, for use with midi backing tracks they said that preset 64 was the cats meow ! I think thats a P-Bass setting but they said that the tracks jump out really well.

Mike

QUESTION: Connecting the T1 to a Classic Model I...

You use a standard quarter-inch guitar cord, from the T1 Master-Out to the L1 Ch-3 or 4, correct?

The manual I think says a 1/4 TS cable. I've heard of and use a TRS cable, Tip-Ring-Sleeve, but I'd never heard of "TS".

Thanks to anyone who can clarify - MIKE

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Hi Mike,

A 1/4 inch guitar cord is a 1/4" TS (Tip - Sleeve) unbalanced cable. A 1/4" TRS (Tip - Ring - Sleeve) is a balanced cable.

The website says Analog output for connecting to additional L1 systems, amplifiers or recording gear via balanced 1/4" TRS cable. But the manual says "Plug one end of a ¼" unbalanced TS audio cable (not supplied) into the T1 Master output port. Plug the other
end of the ¼" cable into the Channel 3 (or Channel 4) Line IN connector on the L1 power stand."?? So one says to use a balanced cable and the other says to use and unbalanced cable.

ST was compiling information on Inputs and Outputs.

Which is correct for the Master Output, TS or TRS? Anyone... I just realized that Connecting a T1 to inputs 1, 2, 3 or 4 of an L1 Classic or Model 1 use a TS as those inputs are unbalanced.

Edit: Clarified and corrected the last paragraph.

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All the 1/4" Classic/Model 1 inputs (except the INSERT jack, of course) are unbalanced -- essentially a "TS" type connection. However, you can use a TRS cable, and the 'ring' will just be grounded. The T1 (and many other 'balanced 1/4" outputs') will handle that just fine as an unbalanced connection.

Therefore, it shouldn't really matter whether you use a TS or a TRS cable. Either will work the same.

Very good - simple is simple!

Thanks Mark & Dan - Mike

Hi Dan,

Thanks for you post. I made corrections to mine as I was thinking that inputs 1 and 2 of the L1 Classic were balanced but only the XLR portion is balanced mic level. The TRS is in fact unbalanced Line level.

It is important to note that most TS unbalanced jacks do not have the ability to unbalance a TRS plug by connecting the ring to the sleeve, thus leaving the ring conductor of the balanced pair floating. Many lack the necessary contacts.

The combination TRS-XLR connectors used for inputs 1 and 2 of the L1 Classic should have that capability but would only do so if Bose has allowed for this in their design. Inputs 3 and 4 of the L1 Classic may have this capability as well depending on which jack was selected and if Bose has allowed for this in their design. I have not had a chance to search the forum to see if Bose has provided for the unbalancing capability or not. Using a TS cable would ensure a proper unbalanced connection.

Hi all,

A minor clarification:

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Originally posted by Dan Cornett:
All the 1/4" Classic/Model 1 inputs (except the INSERT jack, of course) are unbalanced

Though the Insert, or effects send/return jacks use a TRS connector, that doesn't mean that it's a balanced circuit. For these, the tip (T) is an unbalanced return, the ring (R) is an unbalanced send and the sleeve (S) is ground...

'Hope this helps,

Chuck

Hi again,

Here's a cool read (well, I think so anyway) for anyone interested in the whole balanced/unbalanced topic, especially as it relates to signal levels and gain. It's a bit late for me to be looking through our schematic diagrams, so I can't say for sure if all of our 1/4" unbalanced jacks short the cold (-) to ground. Keep in mind that with devices like L1s/T1s, whether or not we're losing that 6dB by unbalancing a line, we can always tweak a knob to get the 6 dB back, if necessary...

'Hope this helps, too (and doesn't unneccessarily complicate matters )...

Chuck

Getting back to thoughts about the T1:

Jim,

Have you connected the T1 to your old Model I to see how it sounds?

I am curious about the presets.
Specifically, the presets you are used to using for you voice and guitar.

I'd like to hear your impressions of the differences, if any,
in the sound between the two models using the same presets on the T1 as you used with your Model I.

Curious if there is a marked difference in tone as the T1/PS1 presets are the same EQ, but the array is now different.
I have heard previously that the change isn't substantial, but I would sure like your opinion,
or anyone else who has the T1.

Thanks

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Originally posted by Drumr:
Getting back to thoughts about the T1:

Jim,

Have you connected the T1 to your old Model I to see how it sounds?

I am curious about the presets.
Specifically, the presets you are used to using for you voice and guitar.

I'd like to hear your impressions of the differences, if any,
in the sound between the two models using the same presets on the T1 as you used with your Model I.

Curious if there is a marked difference in tone as the T1/PS1 presets are the same EQ, but the array is now different.
I have heard previously that the change isn't substantial, but I would sure like your opinion,
or anyone else who has the T1.

Thanks

Quick note - the presets in the T1 and the Classic/model I are the same for the same instruments. For example, on the Classic preset 01 'Handheld Mics' is the same as 'Handheld Mics' in the T1.

You should not notice a difference between the T1 presets and the Classic/model I presets of the same name.

Knowing this can also make comparisons easier :-)

MikeZ

Hi Drumr,

I have not compared the T1 sounds through a Classic because I don't have a seperate power supply for the T1 (I have one on order). and it seemed silly to power the T1 through the model 2's umbilical cord, and then plug the main analog output into a classic.

The estimate I have on the T1's I intend to use with my classics is mid-July. If I had them already, I would definitely be using them.


Jim

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power the T1 through the model 2's umbilical cord, and then plug the main analog output into a classic.

It hadn't occured to me that one could do just that! (and use any of the outs to go to the classic).

Thanks for the info.