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Let me first say that the L1 is quite the unit. I will admit, there was more than a little hesitation and reservation about giving up the setup we have been using for years. However, the lugging of the Bose 802's and the racks of amps, mixer, keyboard, and misc stuff, the setup time and work was just getting too much. Particularly, since we reduced the group to just my wife and myself. We sing with trax and also with a SP88 keyboard. I was soooooo happyyyyyy with the current sound and moving to an L1 would a significant change.

After listening to a couple units via some musicians traveling through, we drove to Minneapolis and actually demo'd an L1 Classic with our trax at Guitarcenter (warning, the staff may appear a little scary, but they couldn't be nicer!!! They treated us "older folk" with kindness and patence). Needless to say, when my wife saw the ease of tear down and setup, she was so hooked IMMEDIATELY (ever mind what it sounded like, right????)
Both of us loved the sound (granted we were in a small guitar demo room) but could envision the possibilities. After much prayer and discussion, decided to sell the current system (after all, we are a non-profit entity and so far, it has worked out perfectly...the non-profit part, that is!!!!)

I sold most of the system to a local church and took the plunge and ordered an L1M1 2 bass unit on June 26th. Of course, I would hit the time frame of the Order Entry system at Bose being converted, and then there was the July 4th holiday and then UPS lost part of my order (:>( however, it all came together July 13th (a most fortunate Friday for me!!!) - BTW, I would like to thank Dennis Gravelle for the most kind and heartfelt service during this time. I did not know you could actually get anything from Phoenix to Bismarck, ND overnight???? Dennis did it!! I set it up that night and from then until now, here are my initial thoughts and observations.

With the old system, there were songs were you had to really back off the mic or you would hit the limiter on the gain and distort. On the L1, I have the limiter basically turned off with the wireless mics and the feed from the mics to the unit turned max. It is really "hot" but I cannot get the LED to flash "red" on the L1. The vocal can get really "loud and intense" but stays clear and clean. Another thing I have noticed is that some of our trax are not as "clean" as I thought. There are sections in trax where the intenseness causes it to be muddy and sure enough, when I load up that trax in Audition, I can see where it is "outside" the boundaries and peaking on the frequencies. There isn't too much I can do about that at this point, but found it interesting that I had not noted that with the previous system.

I love having the remote handy by the trax computer, makes for slight adjustments a breeze and you don't have walk over to the "mixer". I "think" I miss some "effects", but not sure. One for sure, it does make you realize some bad habits you've allowed to develop. Man, you can clearly hear some vocal "slides" into notes and stuff like that. It faithfully reproduces what you put into it. I have been really practicing hard on hitting the pitch "spot on" and not sliding to it. Linda has had some struggle initially,(missing her Bose 802 monitor) but I really think it has helped her as well. the only bad thing at this point is she tends to stand sideways to "hear" the sound. I will have to try some L1 repositionings to see if we can solve that. I currently have the L1 in line with the computer, back about 7 feet, so we end up standing "off axis" from the L1. I love to walk around the shop (our practice "room") singing and being able to hear clearly all over. I can even go outside and hear everything pretty good. To realize that all that sound is coming from a "stick" as Linda calls it - is pretty amazing. The efficiencies are outstanding having a"matched" system. I thought I was doing really good with the Mackie mixer and amps - using Shure SM58's into the BOSE speakers, but it is quite a difference between "that" and "this". I bought some used Audio Technica wireless (Freeway600 and a Digital reference 2500 -- just for fun (they were really cheap) I just set the TONEMATCH eq for "wireless mics" and it made them sound like super duper shures! The hi's and bottom and all there and they are crystal clear. As a matter of fact, I had to take a little top end off of Linda's channel - it was almost too "bright". ( somewhat reminicent of a condenser mic).

Because the keyboard and trax go through channels 3 and 4 - there is NO eq on those, the trax are great, but the keybaord is a little "flat" if you know what I mean. Plenty of bass with the double bass units, just the overall sound seems a little flat or gray. Don't know what I'll do about that yet. the best solution is to sell the Mackie mixer (cfx1200) and use that money to get the optional ToneMatch box which would give me 4 more channels and then I'd have more eq and effects and compression and all that stuff.

Overall, at this point, I am a very happy camper. Dennis ended up moving heaven and earth to get the completed system here to Bismarck. Our practices are going well and the adjustment is moving along. It IS an adjustment after years of singing with monitors parked in front of you (yes, even if they are Bose!!!) with a tradtional "house" system, but I think it is going to nothing but "good" to hear EXACTLY what the "folk" are hearing. The other BIG item for us, is the number of trips in and out to unload and the time to setup. Safely, I would estimate we've reduce haul in and setup test times from 1.5 hrs to .5 hours MAX. Also factor in the load OUT time as well. It will be nice to take some time to talk with people instead of spending it tearing down!

That's about it for now - more after August 5th when we have a gathering outside!

Lloyd & Linda Ministries
 
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WOW! Thanks so much Lloyd (shepardboy) for this report! Sounds like you've already given your new L1 a grade of 'A'. Lest's see if we can help with making that an 'A+'...
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the keybaord is a little "flat" if you know what I mean
The T1 ToneMatch Audio Engine would indeed put a LOT more fine tuning capability at your fingertips, but we might be able to tweak it some with what you already have. A few questions - What types of sounds (piano, Rhodes, organs, etc.) are you going for? By 'gray', do you mean not as 'bright' with higher frequencies as you'd like it?

Chuck
 
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Quick follow-up question:
I'm wondering where you might have the 'Touch' (one of the Global parameters found in Edit mode) set on your SP88. The values are 1-5 and finding the one that matches your playing style can often make a world of difference...
 
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Originally posted by Chuck-at-Bose:
Quick follow-up question:
I'm wondering where you might have the 'Touch' (one of the Global parameters found in Edit mode) set on your SP88. The values are 1-5 and finding the one that matches your playing style can often make a world of difference...


I will check on that setting. Mostly use Piano2 setting and yes, the sound does not "sparkle" or sound "crisp". I tried an Alesis EQ and it helped quite a bit. So, I'm thinking that a T1 down the line might be a nice addition. The more we use this equpment, the more I notice how precise it makes you be as a musician and singer. The only concern at this point is how we will be able to handle the volume when we get into a larger venue. You know, with the unit behind and pumping out the music. I would think it will have to do with spacing between us and "the stick" (again, my wife's term of endearment!)
 
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I'm going to say that the day was great and the sound was awesome. Clean and clear are the two words that kept coming to mind as I walked the perimeter and listened to the various performers. I have now gone full circle from someone who once heard this music off in the distance and discovered it was the L1, to someone who now provides that experience for others. The neighbors wandered over to take a look. They said that the music wasn't too loud, but that they could hear it and just wanted to come over and see what was going on. (Of course, we invited all of them!) I can say with all confidence, I don't miss the old system at all. I thought I had the world by the tail with the 802's, but this integrated system is quite amazing. Attendees could not believe that "this sound is coming from the little stick and these two little boxes!"

I appreciated that during our performance, I could walk around in very close proximity to the L1 and experienced NO feedback. In fact, I passed right in front of it from side to side during our performance and had no difficulty whatsoever with feedback.

BTW, I did change the global setting for "touch" on the SP88 and it did make quite a difference. I think I will be ok for now and after I get rid of the Mackie mixer I'm going to order the T1 for the extra channels. I looks like we may have picked up a third singer for occasional events, so another channel with EQ is needed plus the benefits of that for the keyboard and trax I think will be nice.

For those of you running a mixer into the L1, I discovered that using the TAPE OUT RCA to 1/4" on the Mackie CFX12 made for the least amount of HISS. I am going to assume that using the T1 with the L1M1, inputting on either channel 3 or 4 will not create any of that type of HISS. I am correct, aren't I?? When not using any mixer the L1 is very, very quiet.

To summarize, I am very happy with this approach to audio and very glad to have made the transition. To think that 32 years ago I stared out with a Peavey system -shortly thereafter, went to the Bose 800's then the 802's and now the L1 - I AM A VERY HAPPY user of Bose products in the field and in my home!
 
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Dear shepardboy,

That is GREAT.

I'm very happy to read your report.

It is the best possible reward for our work.

With best regards,

Ken
 
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Good news sb!

From your website, it looks like the L1 is a nice "load reduction" from what you had before, although you were on the right track even then. Wink
Congratulations on a wise decision.
 
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Further Update - Sold the Mackie CFX mixer and purchased an little firewire enabled mixer named Phonic Helix MKII due to occasionally needing a few more channels. What I have pleasantly discovered is how quiet the Phonic is compared to the Mackie CFX when connected to the L1M1. During the winter months have had to move indoors for rehearsals and the little "extra" effects from the Phonic is also very nice. The plus is the ability to use the same mixer with Garageband to input. If you are looking for a multipurpose little mixer - give the Phonic Helix a test drive. Looking forward to warm weather out here on the plains and getting outdoors for some concerts. Introducing people to sound that is clear without having to be blaring continues out west...
 
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