If you look very carefully at the person assembling the L1 on the the Musicians home page you can see it wobble ever so slightly just as he places the T1 on it. It must be a loose fit since the foot pad/release has been eliminated on the model II. From an electro-mechanical stand point, it seems to me that longevity would be compromised with a conection that had even a bit of slop in it or am I reading into this too much? Can you tell me At-Bose guys, why the decision was made to do away with the release foot pedal?

I couldn't really detect any more wobble than I usually see plugging my L1 in. But I too would like to know the reasoning behind any changes.

Just guessing here.

The Classic treadle mechanism added weight and complexity as well as the occasionally mentioned problem when something came loose inside. It was not likely that one would pick up the classic with the lower L1 attached.

With the Model II, lighter weight means one might try to move the powerstand with the L1 attached, which could be dangerous, and they have eliminated complexity and some potential for problems.

Then again, that folding leg mechanism might have taxed the brain so much they couldn't think anymore, and just forgot to install a latch..........Nah

Model II's wobble, but they won't fall down.

O

Cliff, excuse me for saying this, but I heard the original locking mechanism & treadle was put in because Cliff liked to drag the L1 around the stage by the cylindrical radiator which would cause it to pull out from the powerstand.

Remember the accident that one of the at-Bose guys told us about one of them getting hit on the head by the falling cylindrical radiator? I think the treadle was put in to protect folks from all kinds of "Darwinian" accidents. I think they decided we're smarter now & can be trusted to not do something stupid.

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Originally posted by Cliff-at-Bose:
Kidding aside, Andy, the L1 is made like a piece of military gear. I have routinely "relocated" it around a stage by simply grabbing it by the L1 itself, tipping it and dragging it around. The thing is built. Plus, anyone will have a hard time tipping it over. It has to pass some "UL tip test" and you would have to be very deliberate and obvious to be able to tip it. It is one strong Boy.

That inspired this:

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Originally posted by ST:
Hey Cliff!

I'm seeing you in a whole new light. (apologies to Henk Dawson)

Hi:

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"...it seems to me that longevity would be compromised with a conection that had even a bit of slop in it or am I reading into this too much?"

My classic speaker poles have wobble in them but it doesn't seem to hinder their performance, and they only wobble if I make them wobble.

I always wondered why they put the treadle in the base because the weight of the speaker poles prevents them from coming out by themselves. It made sense to me, to not have a treadle in the new version...well as long as no one tries to drag theirs around by the pole, etc.

Stu

I think I remember something about the engineers posting that the wobble was engineered in there for a reason. I'll see if I can find it.

Hi Guys


"I think I remember something about the engineers posting that the wobble was engineered in there for a reason. I'll see if I can find it."


Tom,

I remember the same thing, their was a reason for that.


Ted

We are certainly trying to engineer for maxium safety and durability. That's why the Model II will give a little under small forces but will dig in (and dig in hard !!) if there is any significant push on it.

When we were testing one of the really early jury-rigged prototypes, one speaker came lose and conked our drummer in the head. He nearly passed out and had trouble finishing the gig. That was decidedly not funny and a stern reminder to us, that mechanical saftey and stability is vitally important.

That seemed to have worked so far (knock on wood). I'm not aware of any case where someone managed to topple an L1.

Hope that helps

Hilmar

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Remember the accident that one of the at-Bose guys told us about one of them getting hit on the head by the falling cylindrical radiator?

Found Hilmar's story. It's here.

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Just to be perfectly clear: The accident happened with a very early prototype that had little mechanical resemblence to the actual product. The product itself is perfectly safe.

Ok

I did drag the L1/I around. I even did what ST has cruelly depicted.

You can't do this with the L1/II, probably making it safer and certainly making me less vulnerable to such vicious attacks. The line array sections stay in by gravity, making it easier to use. We didn't really see a need to have a locking mechanism. The sections can be wobbled around as they are in a compliant but stable support structure. They always are in a fixed vertical orientation but are easy to assemble and disassemble.

I just got my Model II set up in my room last night and plan on using it tomorrow night, retiring my Classic.

There were a couple surprises for me, both good and bad but the lack of locking connectors was a fairly welcome change and I don't mind not having to worry about them falling up towards the ceiling!

Nice sound dispersion, which is one of the main reasons I wanted the newer model.

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The guy holding the L1 in the picture. Wasn't he the bass player for the Trogs?