My local music store only has one complete system on the floor - I was told most folks only buy one. (Since I play piano and the sounds I use on my CP300 are sampled in stereo, I would only consider buying two complete systems.)
I listened to an mp3 player through this L1\B1. The sound was very clear, I could hear it all over the store and the sound level remained consistent.
We adjusted the Bose mixer (the one associated with this L1) until the input light changed to yellow and then backed off. The trim was set correctly and I cranked up the system to its maximum. It was loud and clear but certainly not over powering. I adjusted the bass on the mixer (very easy to learn, I might add) but did not have my socks knocked off.
I'm giving up just yet. A bass player friend of mine has a friend who has three complete L1 systems and I will check those out. I'm reasonably certain I can make an informed opinion even without connecting an electric piano to this system; I'm planning on just bringing a few CDs of assorted music for my sound source.
Bear in mind, my frame of reference is two Bose 802's (with a QSC PLX1804 amp that puts out 500+ wpc at 8 ohms \ 800 wpc at 4 ohms). I also want to hear this system used in clubs by other groups. As it stands now, the initial 'wow' factor has been replaced by a 'let's check this out further' attitude.This message has been edited. Last edited by: Dave Horne,
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I bought 2-L1's and 4-B1's a couple years ago and have not been completely happy until I quit using the B1 units a few weeks back and swapping for a Schroeder 1210 bass cab.
Finally I have the tone I was after, whether playing as an acoustic soloist or electric with sequencer backup.
Tons of punch and the bottom end isn't the only place that benefited as I now have the warm full lower mids I tried in vain to find.
I guess it's all in what you are looking for, and are used to using.
I play my bass through an L1 system with 4 bass modules and I think it's the best bass I've heard in a band setting.
The L1 was my first real bass rig though, so I think I benifit from not trying to make an L1 sound like a half stack of some sort.
sounds like you are going through a very thorough investigation whether or not the L1 will work for you.
Just a comment - make sure to play your instrument (in your case keys) through one. Mp3's will give you a good sense for the sound field, but playing through one (or for you two in stereo) is a different experience entirely.
Too bad you didn't get to hear two as you wanted.
I am glad for you, that you got to experience this.
If you could make a direct comparison between you 802s and the L1™s in a gig sized room, I think you would notice a considerable difference. I used to carry my 802s and power amps and tonnes of digital processing for my stereo guitar rig. The band PA was in addition to that. My 802s were on either the stage along with "the mains". Gorgeous sound if you were in the sweet spot. The L1™ sound is different, and for what I want to accomplish these days, a much better fit. But I can tell you. I wish that I had had the L1™s back then.
I have had the pleasure to hear Alan perform in both roles. I totally agree.
A few points which I haven't seen mentioned yet ...
Besides trying in a "gig-sized" room, there are a few other points worth mentioning:
1) Having the "peak volume" of your input device (e.g.: mp3 player ... quality of mp3 files has already been mentioned as a possible issue) in the yellow is not a bad thing; that is actually the proper setting to have the input trim adjusted for on the T1 (the "Bose mixer"). That may be one reason why it was "not over powering".
2) One B1 will not sound "over powering" in any but the smallest, quiet room.
3) The placement of a bass speaker in a room greatly affects the perceived "loudness" ... you really can't compare the bass response 'fairly' of two alternatives unless you swap them out in the same physical location in the room.
4) The combination of a single L1 and a single B1 is not designed to give a "over powering" presence -- it is intended to provide a balanced amplification for a performer.
Now, as a keyboard player myself, I know that keyboards are often "an ensemble with one instrument" ... and I thus never set up an L1 System for a keyboard -- or CD/MP3/DVD -- in performance with fewer than 2 B1's attached. The design intent of the B1 is to be part of a scalable solution for providing bass sounds supporting an L1 System.
It's good that the B1's work for so many people but if things were as cut and dried as one perfect sound for all then there would be a lot fewer products on the market.
I like the tonality coming from the Schroeder much better than the B1's and think that a lot of people given the chance to do an a/b comparison would feel likewise.
Just want everyone to be aware that as much as you may like your PAS system, there are options out there other than the all Bose combination and Bose simply doesn't want you to think about it since it would only result in less sales for their bottom line.
You do have choices and I think it would be ideal if people bought B1's after comparing them to other 4ohm cabs out there, as opposed to because they thought they had to buy them if they had an L1.
I had actually thought of trying a cab for bass when I first got the L1 because it would have been less money than 4 b1's and a packlite. But two things kept me from going that route. 1. I'm not technically knowledgeable about power rateing and all that, so I didn't want to go with a cab that wouldn't match up right.
2. I wanted the balance the B1's have with the L1.
Im a DJ, not a musician.
I used two Bose 802s driven from a Crown PowerBase 3.
Sometimes I use four Bose 802 in a stereo double stacked configuration for extra travel and bass boost.
IMHO you can NOT understand what the L1 sounds like until you actually use it in a REAL situation.
The clarity is astounding. You will be able to tell the differences in recordings betwen differnt masters. IMHO an MP3 player is a bad test. You need to play full WAV files that you are familiar with.
An L1M2 with 2B1 in MONO blew the doors off of my pair of 802s.
The perception of LOUD is VERY VERY different. I had the trim set a 3/10 and thought - wow - Im going to need to turn this up as its not loud enough. Then I cued the next song and realized I could not hear the cue track unless the headphones were way way way up. Hmmm. Its loud but not LOUD. Very strange. Very weird. The guests loved it. They can talk. Then can dance. VERY VERY odd.
Even with a packed dance floor - the sound penetrated. It was like I had speakers everywhere. Ive played the venue before (its an annual event) and I could not believe my ears.
I still dont believe my ears - but I trust em.
Here's my ten penneth (that's a bit like 10 cents but English )
I don't think you could ever appreciate the system playing MP3's and only 1 B1 module.
I would try and listen to it with 2. we did that when we initially tested the system. we bought 2 B1's, and liked it one was not enough. Now we have 4 B1's and a paclite and we love it even more.
To be honest I would always recommend 2 B1's minimum for any application bar say straight vocals . I know that when I just use mine for My Guitar and Vocals it is better with 2 B1's. And I see Bass players atround the forum seem to think 4 is better that the suggested 2.
certianly if you are playing MP3's with any drums and Bass in and you are turning it way up - you need at least 2. and as Dan says placement is key as well.
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