I have the L1 Model II with 4 B1s (and packlite). I just bought the extended bass so I have only tried the system with 2 B1's so far but thats not the focus just want you to know where I'm coming from.
Of course if I am using the L1 as intended ie; only me playing through it it works as expected and I can position it as such that I don't need to use any kind of monitor. The problem is that I'm the only on in any of the bands I play in that has an L1 so we usually use it for the vocals for the whole band and sometimes mic the kick drum (hence the recent addition of the extended bass pack).
Using it this way requires that we position the L1 somewhat to the front of the band because we have so many live mics coming through one system. We have dug out our old mini powered vocal monitors. I have the Mackie SRM150 and the other guys use the TC Helicon version. We just run them in series from the aux out of the T1 and I have to admit these little things have never sounded so good as they do plugged into the T1 but I got to thinking if anyone could build an awesome vocal monitor it would be Bose. I can only imagine it would be expensive. When compared to the TC Helicon or the Mackie units, but I don't imagine there could possibly be any comparison if you were to put your technology into this kind of application. I'm picturing some of the Wave system technology wrapped into a professional sound re-inforcement product would give musicians flexibility and options, whether they use L1's or not.
Anyway it's just a thought, I'm not the sound design genius, I was just musing to myself that if anyone could do it rightist would be Bose. Of course even though the primary focus would be a great sounding mic stand mounted vocal monitor, I'm sure it would probably transfer into a bunch of useful applications.
One of the really interesting things that happened when the L1® came along was - we no longer had to talk about problems using the language of solutions that didn't really work.
Old language: I need more monitor.
Open language: I can't hear myself.
Short story — about 6 years ago
I get my first L1® I am the only guy in the band with one. It seems unfair (or something) that I am the only one with this technology (that basically blows away everything else on the stage). That is, my guitar processor - lined out to the L1® and my microphone direct to the L1® completely outperforms and somewhat upstages the other guitarist/lead vocalist in the band. He is the front man for the band, so this isn't a good thing. Also - for the first time ever...
- I am in complete control of my mix (R1 Remote)
- I can hear myself and no monitor required.
Next step — Sharing
I let the other guy run through my L1® with me. We use channels 1 and 2 for microphones and channels 3 and 4 for guitar rigs.
Okay, so now I have compromised my experience of my gear. I am managing his sound as well as mine. I am trying to hear my voice distinct from his. I am trying to hear my guitar distinct from his. And I am doing that while I'm trying to perform. Yes, we are back on equal footing, but that's a couple steps back for me. It doesn't feel equal at all.
Right about this time I remember why I never liked sharing my guitar amp (two guys through the same amp). I had tried it but it was always a nightmare.
I realize that I can no longer hear myself any more. There are two guitars and vocals coming from the same place, and I'm basically back where I was before - playing by rote, by body language, and occasionally reading the other guy's hands.
Next step — Another L1®
It turns out that I don't like sharing. So I buy another L1®. This is for the other guy. I show him how the Remote works and I don't have to manage his sound. We have to manage ourselves in the context of the band, but that's a lot better than leaving it up to someone else to figure out.
We are now in better shape overall and if anyone else wants in on the L1® action they can plug into the other L1® (not mine).
Now some background.
I'm asking you to consider the question - why do you have to diminish and dilute your personal investment? I'm not asking you to answer that question, just to ponder it.
If your answer is like mine was back in the beginning, then please consider the cost of sharing.
Right now you must have two mind sets about how you use your L1®. The first is the way it works and sounds and operates for you personally. The second is when you share it.
When you share the L1® you may be setting yourself up as the sound guy. I've been there, done that, and I'd prefer to manage my own sound from the vantage point that I can hear it. I'd really prefer to avoid managing the sound for everybody and all that goes into it (live in real-time and all the preparation, planning, time that happens before and after the show).
When you set up monitors with or without the L1®, you create two mixes and potentially more. There is the live mix that goes out to the audience and then there are the monitor mixes, perhaps more than one. Maybe you need to set up individual mixes for each monitor and manage that from a cental location even though you cannot hear what each performer is hearing. And that's what happens in my head when I have lost track of "I can't hear myself" and think it means, "I need more monitor".
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As usual ST, all good points, but when I made this suggestion, I wasnt necessarily talking about this potential product being a companion for the L1 system, even though I may use it with mine.
I have been using these little mic stand mounted monitors for a few years even prior getting the L1, I prefer it to regular floor wedges. Because they are so much closer they don't need to be as loud, so it's not quite the residual damage that you describe or at least it's to a lesser degree.
In the regard of big clear sound from small packages, who do you think of before Bose. So who could do this better. Bose makes more than just L1 systems. Why not venture into this territory and do it better than anyone else. So that's all that was about. Like I said just a thought.
As far as my personal story with the L1, it may actually be a fact that even if such a product was available, it may be more feasible for me to purchase another L1 (depending on costs). Youre absolutely right I end up being sound man, I always seem to be. But I have to say, although I do have to compromise by sharing, the L1 does deliver clearer sound to our bands vocals than I can achieve with any other system. So the compromise is still a huge improvement. Since getting the L1, through trial and error and a bunch of help from you and others on this forum, I have learned to get what I can from this system and have it replace our old PA system. Of course I dream of a day when we will have more L1's, just as I used to dream of having the one I have. Time will tell, in the meantime I am thoroughly enjoying the L1 even under less than perfect applications.
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