Not sure where to post this but thought this was funny.
http://youtu.be/UwEB_zXsBBM

At $4000 US it is prohibitively expensive, for me at least. I could buy 4 Bose L1 Compacts for the same price!!

Also, I have dealt with Bose support and they are the absolute best in the industry (IMHO) so I would opt for a Bose over the HK.

yes but the HK is 600 pure watts..making it LOUDER than the L1 model 2 system with 2 bass modules.And smaller..
they sound amazing good effort i reckon

Those high powered watts are amazing things. Yesterday I was doing some electrical work in a parking structure. I installed motion sensors and photo cells on 1400 watts of light bulbs. When I hit the switch they made light but not a sound.

You just can't determine volume by the "watt" rating of an amp or speaker.

I'm sure the HK is a good product, but I don't think any valuable conclusion could be made based on published specs.

I think it looks cool, and I like the roll around, hand truck idea, but the spring loaded riser / latch assembly on the array is a design risk that will take some time to prove it's ruggedness.

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of course u can ...
if some band has a 5k watt system ... but another band the week after has a 1K watt system.
Trust me you will be able to tell !
as for the design , you may be right .
In a store near me they selling them HK caddys for £1300 each , could get 2 of them for one L1 System .
In all seriousness i very much doubt they are as good as the L1 ! I have heard a few of these line arrays (LD being the worst) The Bose always sounded better , APART from the FOHHN system which took the bose pants down and slaps its botty lol !



But its 6 grand ......

Actually, it's not about wattage as much as it is about efficiency. A 5K watt amp is only as good as the speakers in terms of the sound produced (sound pressure level). This system may sound great but it is so over-priced it is incredible.

The spring loaded column is a great concern in terms of reliability. It is a mechanical system and they break at the worst times.

I go back to my original post... Bose service is the BEST. I know what they will do in a pinch and HK is an unknown, at least to me.

Any HK product owners please chime in here on the reliability and support data.

Let's argue the watts issue to death.
I can't imagine 600 pure(?) watts being noticeably louder than Bose's 500 (impure?) watts.
I once had a Peavey 600 watt amp for subs, and went to a QSC 750W amp...I couldn't hear the difference.
My salesman later told me you had to double the wattage to gain a noticeable difference.

BTW, I have yet to see/hear an HK array in use by a band, live or via Youtube...has anyone else?
Are they putting them behind the player, so he can enjoy the sound, or do they recommend the HK as FOH?
If it's FOH...then what is the advantage for a player who likes great on stage sound?
If it's going behind the player, will louder be better? What about feedback?
Just askin'.

Hey...my 4,000th post!!
Does that make me credible yet?

well drumr thats not really true is it ...
because the 750 watt older L1 "classic" system
is NOTICEABLY LOUDER than the newer 500 watt model 2 !
Anyone who has gigged both systems will tell you the same .
I have only heard good reports of the HK system , and sound good on "shop" floor , the proof is in a real life gig as u say .
and gratz on 4000 posts , well done !

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well drumr thats not really true is it ...

Chris, in my experience over these last 8 years, on stage, with multiple Classics & Model II's, it is very true.
Although, it is just the way my ears hear it, in my personal opinion, for my uses.
That does not make it scientifically true or untrue.
Scientifically, what is a known fact today, can be overturned tomorrow.

I don’t have gauges and meters, nor the technical knowledge to prove anything, this is just what I have experienced.
And I want everyone to know an L1 will do you a great job if you adapt to, and work with it.

Small differences in total watts, does not determine how clean and clear a sound system is.
It might be louder, but is it better sounding, does the system "throw" further, and remain consistent, from side-to-side, front-to-back?

In the average bar in my area, our three L1s sound better at the back of the room than any traditional PA, meaning, speaker-on-a-stick, with a sub, not necessarily the HK arrays.
Many, many people in our audiences have said so...it also sounds very, very good to me on stage, always.
Until I hear and HK line array in a bar comparable to where I've played, I'm going to have to not make any assumptions about which will win in a volume (or clarity) war.

From '06, and until the Model II came out, my trio played over 100 gigs with three 750W Classic L1s.
The bassist and I moved to the Model IIs (w/Ext. Bass Pkgs.) when it came out, the bassist loved it.
The guitarist, who stayed with a Classic, said (and still says) he prefers the sound of the Classic, and also says it's louder.

So yes, he would agree with you.
He and I disagree, and remain friends and bandmates.

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Becausse the 750 watt older L1 "classic" system
is NOTICEABLY LOUDER than the newer 500 watt model 2 !

So, in your opinion, to your ears, it is louder...you've heard them both in action and came to this decision?
Or are you saying since one has more watts, you know it to be true?

Historically, the Classic L1 was touted for it's wide spread of sound, which it, amazingly, did have.
It also had a graphically proven "hotspot" right down the center, which many users loved, and I can see why.
It gave you a way to modify your distance from "the flame" down the middle when picking your monitoring position.
For guitarist's, used to beam-y amps, and who likes it LOUD, maybe the Classic is better suited due to the "hotspot".

The Model II's articulated array is noticeably smoother, which I feel, gives the illusion of less "loudness".
The hotspot is gone, making positioning a little less important to the players on stage, everyone can hear it better.
It could also feel, to the player, like less overall volume, but I feel the Model II still can go as loud.
It's just that the sound is so smooth and comfortable, I tend not to turn it up as much.
If it is not as loud as a Classic, it is a trade-off that I have not noticed, and gladly accept.

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I have only heard good reports of the HK system , and sound good on "shop" floor

If only Bose got only good reports in the general internet discussion groups!

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the proof is in a real life gig as u say.

Thank you for saying so, that is how I feel, and the only way I am able to say what I do.
I'm not a techie, I can only reiterate what I’ve experienced.

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and gratz on 4000 posts , well done !

Thanks! I do my best…how well is a matter of opinion.

It's a BOSE Compact on Steriods! But, it's HK. I have had a run in with them over the summer with a recall of their products. Once I shipped it to them, there was no communication from them to say they received the units, nor was I given an estimate of when the repairs would be done. Only after repeated phone calls and basically hounding for weeks (10 weeks the first time...8 weeks the second time), did I receive my units back. The first unit had to involve a third party to get my unit back and it wasn't even the same serial number. The second unit took a threat to go public with forums, social networks, band members in the immediate area and wanting to talk to a Sales Manager personally before I got the second unit shipped. It again was not the same serial number I sent in.
Seeing this unit from HK is a great innovation of them taking 2 great products (the BOSE Compact and T1 mixer) and making it faster. 12 seconds is fast, but not as fast as putting the Compact on a table top and turning it on. I like having my T1 Mixer off the unit and being able to have it in front of me.
Curious to see how they market this product and how the consumers will compare it with the Compact and Fishman.

Wow- crazy! LOL No Thanks!!

The Bose L1 is way ahead of it's time!