we are:
keyboards: desiree
drums: theo
accordeon/vocals: martin
guitar/vocals: ruud
bass/vocals(soon): martin
vocals/tin whistle: miriam

we've been using a single L1 modell II system with 1 bass module system and tone match engine for almost 1 year now. all vocals and an instruments submix go into the tone match. This setup is great for indoors and max. 400 listeners (like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...VbM&feature=related). doing a cross-over with a non-amplified, big band, the sound was horrible (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9lDrEGI9gs) and because we thought we didnt need a sound engineer, it stayed that way .....

recently we played outdoors (http://www.tjodtsimmer.nl/gal/main.php?g2_itemId=697). soundcheck was great but after the first set (and the aquare was filled with talking/singing people) we had to add some extra power, using conventional amps.

question to others: what er you using outdoor?

Hi t jod tsimmer,

Is this your Sketch?


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Legend:
L1® Model II
T1 ToneMatch® audio engine
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue filled numbers are Channel connections to/from the T1 ToneMatch™ audio engine.

Hi! ... and welcome to your first posting on this forum!

quote:

Originally posted by t jod tsimmer:
...we've been using a single L1 model II system with 1 bass module system and tone match engine...recently we played outdoors ... soundcheck was great but after the first set ... we had to add some extra power, using conventional amps...question to others: what er you using outdoor?

Short answers:
2nd B1.

Then: 2nd L1 with 2 more B1's.

Then: Packlite with 2 more B1's (for L1 used by the drums and/or bass).

For the number in your group, I would think you'd get a great improvement in your overall sound as well as the ability to handle louder/larger venues by adding a second L1 AND 3 more B1's (so you have 2 B1's on each L1). Spreading your vocals and instruments across two L1s instead of all going through one L1 will greatly improve your sound ... and the ability to "get louder" with less likelihood of feedback.

The additional B1's will also contribute to "getting louder"; a big part of the perception of "loud" is often the volume of the lower frequencies, and a single B1 just "runs out of gas"(in how loud it can get) before the column does.

If you've been happy with one L1, you'll be delighted with two.


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I also see, now having looked at your pictures on your web site, that for the outdoor venue you had the single L1 tucked back in the corner of a "cave stage"; having played in such a "box" myself, I would recommend two alternatives (even with a single L1):
-- move the L1 to the middle.
or
-- move the L1 to the very front edge. It will sound different to the performers in that position, but you can then get a lot louder.

quote:

Originally posted by ST:
Hi t jod tsimmer,

Is this your Sketch?

yes, it is.
Iwas waititng for confirmation for my 1st message to be shown here, so I could see it. I see now that the legend is not quite right. wiil fix it soon.

quote:

Originally posted by Dan Cornett:
Hi! ... and welcome to your first posting on this forum!
up, I would think you'd get a great improvement in your overall sound as well as the ability to handle louder/larger venues by adding a second L1 AND 3 more B1's (so you have 2 B1's on each L1). Spreading your vocals and instruments across two L1s instead of all going through one L1 will greatly improve your sound ... and the ability to "get louder" with less likelihood of feedback.
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I also see, now having looked at your pictures on your web site, that for the outdoor venue you had the single L1 tucked back in the corner of a "cave stage"; having played in such a "box" myself, I would recommend two alternatives (even with a single L1):
-- move the L1 to the middle.
or
-- move the L1 to the very front edge. It will sound different to the performers in that position, but you can then get a lot louder.

Looks like adding a second L1 AND 3 more B1's is a good solution.

We put the L1 in the corner of the truck because of the advised distance of 2.5 metres to the musicians. On every other occasion where there is plenty of space it is centered.
Moving the L1 to the front is something we will try. I hope it won't affect the sound too much for the players. we are very pleased with L1 and the absence of the old back-line-amps.

Dear folk 6. I play in a 6 member band, country gospel, no drums. 2 guitars, bass, fiddle banjo and keyboard. 5 of us sing. We use a mixer into the analog input of the L1 Model2 (no tone match). We use one bass (B1) module. We run the tower 8-10 feet behind us using dynamic mics and line inputs for the keyboard and bass. Bose doesn't recommend so many inputs from a mixer into one system, but, so far, it works great for small venues. For larger venues and outdoors, we add two JBL 15" powered speakers to boost the sound. We,ve been using the system for about 2 months. After trying all options on the tower position, the rear position works best for us.