New discussion spun off from Best mic settting
Just watched the Super Bowl half time show. I think the Who just proved your point.
Come on guys.....it wss "live" and when you go "live" and not "canned" and pretend to be live. And now your playing with 80,000 fans "around" you in ain't a run thru rehearsal when the stands where empty. We can't expect recording room quality on cue. I thought the young drummer was awesome. He held the entire show together as they segwayed thru their show.
Just my two cents.
Music is neither new or old it just ......."is"
Hey learned form a pro. His dad is Ringo Star. If listen to the half time show thru your stereo it was a lot better then the TV speakers, still it was rocky. The other thing is they did play play live. Bruce was on tape except for vocals.This message has been edited. Last edited by: Roy,
Moved Reply: The size of the half time production, the resources available, the years and years of experience of performers, producers, and technicians.
There is no good excuse for the failure to deliver a quality performance. If people at that level cannot anticipate the hangups, what chance do the rest of us have.
I'm a complete nobody. If I went on TV and my performance was anything like Pinball Wizard, I don't think I would ever forgive myself or my production staff.
Yes, the drummer was quite good. I think he got an unusual amount of camera time because the "stars" faces were not suitable for TV viewing, probably related to the frustration they must have been experiencing in their attempt to perform without the neccessary tools, whether they be personal or technical.
By the time they got around to Who Are You things had improved, but the lead vocals were light in the mix, I think, because they were not up to par.
Happy you addressed Chuck's issue. I for one don't have a real good grasp of compression and it's use. With my old Yamaha DAW I would use a preset comp for mastering. Do you think you could give us some tips and tricks of getting the most from compression in a live situation.
What does it do. Who needs, or can benefit with its use, or what situation calls for it. How to understand the parameters.
From my point of view treat me as if I know absolutely nothing about compression because that is where I am.
Moved Reply: It was somewhat interesting that all musical performances at the Superbowl must have been live, since none of them were quite on pitch.
Starting with Queen Latifah, removing her left Ear-bud while singing somewhat off-key and Carrie Underwood, who either was somewhat emotional or had trouble hearing, neither performance was spot on. At least they must have been live, unlike the previous "Lip-sync" performances of Whitney, Faith Hill and others or those using "Auto-tune" live.
Wow......I did not know his dad was "the" Ringo Star. Now I am "really' impressed because Ringo Star could never have done that show in the best of his days. Ringo is famous for being the drummer for The Beetles, not for his percussion ability. ( OH I am gonna get hammered on this!)
Just my two cents.
Moved Reply: The Who at the Super Bowl.
Yeah, the vocals were rough, so was the overall mix.
But they had just dragged the entire stage out to the football field, in about 4 minutes.
It would be hard to have it dialed in already, and it did get better as the *medley* progressed.
Too band they didn't have some L1s on stage, I'm sure they could have heard themselves much better.
Zak Starkey totally kicked it on the drums though, didn't he?
He was (without obviously trying to be) the closest thing to Mooney I've seen yet, with the Who.
I'll bet he made daddy proud!
You just can't compare Ringo Star with "technique" on a percussion basis. At best he is in the class of Sandy Nelson of "Whipeout" recording fame. Lot's of accented 16th notes which sound good but require really no "technique" at all. But I do like Ringo Star as as a person and entertainer although he did make a comment on Johny Carson show once saying........"I am the greatest drummer alive". LOL! I bet Buddy Rich yawned.
Just two more of my cents.
" Percussionist" , well I used to be. LOL!
Fact is,there is always someone more talented than you,but Ringo Starr is a legend,and that cannot be taken away from him. MHO.
Ringo has a great sense of timing, demonstrated best by his managing to get the gig with John, Paul and George just before they burst on to the international scene and changed popular music forever. I think his bandmates knew what they were getting and a solid foundation on which to build was all they needed.
And Paul for being the bass player for the Beatles and George for being the guitarist for the Beatles and John... none of them were considered Technicians on their instruments but what a great feel they had.I can't think of four musicians who played for the music better than these guys.
I'll bet he did.I'll also bet he would have given his eye teeth to have as many hits as Ringo.
You are 100% correct! There are many musicians who are technically students of their instruments but lack the ability to listen and end up getting in the way of the performance. The Beatles blend was just perfect live or in the recording room. The KISS formula works.
Music is neither new or old it just......."is"
I think it's SUCH a hoot when drummers bang on Ringo. Of course there are drummers with more flash, technique, etc - but for solid timing, touch, feel, fills... making everything he plays on sound just right, Ringo's at the top of the list, in MY opinion. The drummers who insist otherwise I do not find interesting to make music with.
I agree totally! That's why I play keyboard now. LOL!
The technical staff for the Who, says it was all good.
Just a reminder, don't ask your monitor guy, "how'ed we sound?"
I was wondering if my friends TV sound and the broadcast channel was part of the problem in listening to The Who Halftime Show.
This Website shows a big difference in the sound between the 2 recordings.
The first is like or may be the broadcast version most people heard. Very little ambiance or surrounding acoustics. Possibly right off the mixing board.
The 2 recordings part 1 and part 2 from YouTube are much better as they include a much more being there sound with some of the reflections and surrounding acoustics including spatial separation that the other recording is missing. A considerable improvement.
Also I am now listening with my Bose Companion 5 speakers.
In all fairness re-watching in this environment and without all the previous room distractions, this was a pretty awesome performance. The stage, lighting, timing and pyrotechnics were just an incredible job, not to mention what the cost must have been.
You'll get no argument from me on the showmanship, it was an outstanding presentation in every respect, except the vocals, Townsends in particular.
Watching the videos, there is a lot of frame jumping. I think the audio may be a composite of live and the prerecorded tracks mentioned in the link I posted above. Townsend didn't seem as flat here as he did in the live show.
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