Hi Piafea,

Thanks for using The Sketcher! Here is your Sketch.


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Legend:
L1® Model I/Classic
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue ringed numbers are Channel connections to/from the Classic and Model I Systems.
Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.

There were no notes with this Sketch.

It looks like you have a plan. Do you need any help?

Questions?

Please tell us more about your music:

• What kind(s) of music you play?
  
• Where you do it (size, type of venue)?
  
• Who is there (audience) - how many, what are they doing while you are performing?
  
• Do you have a web site?
  
• If no web site, could you post a picture of your ensemble?
  

Thank you.

Hi Piafea,

Thanks for using The Sketcher and for adding your notes. I have some ideas for you coming up soon.


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Legend:
L1® Model I/Classic
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue ringed numbers are Channel connections to/from the Classic and Model I Systems.
Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.

Quoting Piafea from The Sketcher

quote:

Venue: Restaurant (seatings 400)
Music type: Jazz music and easy listening music
Audience: Eating, chatting

No miking on drum set
Could mike piano
Mike on brass instrument

What would be the best setup for this configuration?
Just get 2 L1 Bose systems w/2 B1 on 09/03/08
New to Sketch
Thank you for assistance.

Hi Piafea,

Here are some ideas for you.

I would probably move the L1®s closer together. What we are doing is improving the monitoring experience for everyone.

I have added legend numbers so it will be easier to discuss this.


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Legend:
L1® Model I/Classic
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue ringed numbers are Channel connections to/from the Classic and Model I Systems.
Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.

The Bass and Saxophone are heard through System .

The two Vocalists are heard through System .

Moving the L1® Systems closer together and in-behind the performers should improve the monitoring experience.

Hi Piafea,



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Legend:
L1® Model I/Classic
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue ringed numbers are Channel connections to/from the Classic and Model I Systems.


Now I have swapped the Drums with System .

This puts the System behind the vocalists and this should help with Localization.


This also gets the Drummer out from between the two L1®s. Otherwise it could get uncomfortably loud in there.

And here is how things might look if you add a microphone for the Piano.

Hi Piafea,

Thanks for using The Sketcher!

This is just a quick note to send you a link to your Sketch in case you want to review it, edit it, or share it with others.


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Legend:
L1® Model I/Classic
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue ringed numbers are Channel connections to/from the Classic and Model I Systems.


How does that look to you?

Do you have any questions?

Thanks for your suggestions. We have been using the set up of the last 2 sketches since the day of purchase until 09/29/09. 4 weekends performances (fri, sat and sun = 12 days)Everything is fine, but we would like to make it better. (So far, we are running the vocal dry: no effects: reverb, echo..)
Since our stage is wide and not enough depth, we have to locate our L1 System on the left and right far apart from each other. Our question: could we use a mixer board and run the L & R output of the mixer to the input 3 or 4 of each L1 System and use the L1 as a conventional system.
(We are affraid of the "waves cancellation", humming, ,,,)
We do not want to purchase the ToneMatch access. yet.
Your input is appreciated. Thank you

Hi Piafea,
Thank you for joining the forum.

quote:

Originally posted by Piafea:
Thanks for your suggestions. We have been using the set up of the last 2 sketches since the day of purchase until 09/29/09. 4 weekends performances (fri, sat and sun = 12 days)Everything is fine,

Terrific!

quote:

but we would like to make it better. (So far, we are running the vocal dry: no effects: reverb, echo..)

How do you like the sound? I would expect this to sound very good - dry, I mean, especially in a restaurant large enough to seat 400.

quote:

Since our stage is wide and not enough depth, we have to locate our L1 System on the left and right far apart from each other. Our question: could we use a mixer board and run the L & R output of the mixer to the input 3 or 4 of each L1 System and use the L1 as a conventional system.

Yes you can.

If you pan each input to the extreme Left or Right (no panning in the middle), then this should be fine.

quote:

(We are affraid of the "waves cancellation", humming, ,,,)

If you pan in the middle then you risk the possibility of "waves cancellation"

quote:

We do not want to purchase the ToneMatch access. yet.
Your input is appreciated. Thank you

The Preamps in your Channels 1 and 2 are very nice. So nice that they are probably as good and often better than what you will find in many mixers.

Since you seem to have enough inputs and since panning in the middle (having a source heard through more than one L1®) is generally not recommended, I am wondering why you would want to use a mixer.

Can you say more about that?

Here is what you have told us about your band.

quote:

Originally posted by Piafa:
Venue: Restaurant (seatings 400)
Music type: Jazz music and easy listening music
Audience: Eating, chatting

No miking on drum set
Could mike piano
Mike on brass instrument

Thank you.

Even dry, we like the sound very much.
Set up is so simple and quick.
With we need to bring the mixer in is because sometime, we have so guest musician who would play a guitar, or a violin or an harmonica...
We try to limit ourself from pluging in/out the L1 system to often.
Also due to the width of our stage, we hope to equalize to south on both side.
We could use one effect unit for reverb/echo for vocal. Does it make sense or are we complicating the situation.

Hi Piafea,

quote:

Originally posted by Piafea:
Even dry, we like the sound very much.

In a large restaurant or any venue that can seat 400 people, I sincerely doubt that adding reverb or delay would improve the sound. I would expect that it would cost you clarity and increase the likelihood of feedback.

quote:

Set up is so simple and quick.
With we need to bring the mixer in is because sometime, we have so guest musician who would play a guitar, or a violin or an harmonica...

I would consider getting a small mixer with a couple of microphone inputs - and use that ONLY for those occasional guest artists. Run that mixer to Power Stand Channel 3 or 4 of the L1® closest to where that performer is standing or seated on the stage.

quote:

We try to limit ourself from pluging in/out the L1 system to often.

I wouldn't be concerned about this.

quote:

Also due to the width of our stage, we hope to equalize to south on both side.

Could you post a picture of you on the stage?
What are the dimensions of the stage?

quote:

We could use one effect unit for reverb/echo for vocal. Does it make sense or are we complicating the situation.

Please see my comments above about reverb. I am imagining that there is plenty of natural reverb in the room. Adding more (reverb) electronically at the source could complicate things most noticeably because you could lose clarity and presence for the vocals, leading you to want to turn up the volume. Reverb alone can contribute to feedback. Turn up the volume to overcome the lack of presence and you are increasing the likelihood of feedback.

Where are you located?

Will post pictures after 10/04/2009

Did not have chance to take pictures of the stage yet. Will do it soon.
We are located in the southwest area of Houston, Texas inside beltway 8.

We have one very important question. We try to add some effect for the vocal mike on channel 1, using the insert connection.
(Ring send, tip return) After connecting with our effect unit, we heard only the sound going through the effect unit. There is no raw sound directly from the vocal mike to the L1 System. Is this correct or have we missed something. Really need your quick help in this. Thank you.

Hi Piafea,

Raw = dry...

You have to control the wet/dry mix on the effects unit. When you use the Insert point, there is no Dry signal unless your effects unit provides that.

What kind of effects unit are you using?

If it does NOT have a mix control then you might try running the effects unit in parallel.

See: PS1 Power Stand (Model I and Classic) Parallel effects in the wiki.

Does that help?

We are using an existing Alesis Multiverb effect unit.
Have try the serial connection method, did not like it.
Have attempted the parallel method with wrong connection. (did not read manual correctly on using the right cable and adapter). Will rectify this weekend.
We prefer the dry sound from L1 system, but performers who have use the regular PA system prefer a little bit of reverb an delay.
Thank you for your help.

Hi Piafea,

I could not find a manual for an Alesis MultiVerb, but I did find one for an Alesis MicroVerb4. Is this similar to your unit? It appears that the connections would be the same as for a NanoVerb or PicoVerb.

We have notes in the wiki for using an
Alesis Nanoverb

The link above has information about connecting an Alesis unit to the Model I Power Stand both ways, Serial and Parallel.

I hope there is something there that is helpful. If not, please let me know.
Thanks you.

My mistake, it is an Alesis Microverb that we are using. Information that you have provided on wiki are helpful. Will set it this weekend at our performance and see the result.
Once again, thank you