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Hi babyblueeyes,

Thanks for using The Sketcher!

This is just a quick note to send you a link to your Sketch in case you want to review it, edit it, or share it with Drumr Pete.


-- click image to make changes to the live version --

Legend:
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue ringed numbers are Channel connections to/from the Classic and Model I Systems.
Blue filled numbers are Channel connections to/from the T1 ToneMatch™ audio engine.
Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.

Quoting babyblueeyes from The Sketcher
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ST,

Pete's helping me with a set-up for 800 women on May 31st. Gonna use his two model II's and my classic. Feel free to wiegh in on this, too, ST.

Thanks!

Nathan

Pete,

Here's a start. Wish I had a Model II to put in there! I just don't know what I want through what.

Talk later. Thanks.
 
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800 women

Looking forward to it!


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Originally posted by Drumr:
I think your layout is fine, MIIs to the outside seems best.
Actually, 2 MIIs might do the trick.


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Hey Nathan, Pete

Is there any reason not to put this in the public area? I'd just like to share learning opportunity.


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No reason, really, ST. I was just thinking...well, I don't know what I was thinking. I'm all for learning opportunities. Maybe I figured Pete and I could just sort it out, but I still wanted to use the sketcher since it is such a handy tool.

Publicize away when convenient.

Pete,

2 Model II's...probably so. I would dig the symmetry as well!!! We'd just need to be careful to keep like frequencies separate, right? Well...hmmm...


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Public is fine with me.
Nathan probably didn't want you to go to any more trouble than you need.
In doing so, you've gone to more trouble than you needed. Smile


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hi nathan,

three systems is fine too if you want the spacial imaging, and simplicity of setup/routing. just thinking aloud.
 
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Nathan's latest Sketch.


-- click image to make changes to the live version --

Legend:
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue ringed numbers are Channel connections to/from the Classic and Model I Systems.
Blue filled numbers are Channel connections to/from the T1 ToneMatch™ audio engine.
Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.

Quoting babyblueeyes from The Sketcher
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Edit: #1 11:25 CDT, 5-12-08
Summary - Use two MII's only; showing amps for piano and bass (if old-school thought reigns supreme); line out from those.
 
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Public is fine with me.
Nathan probably didn't want you to go to any more trouble than you need.
In doing so, you've gone to more trouble than you needed. Smile


Yeah, that's pretty much it. I don't like to bother anyone for anything. Hard for me to ask for help in many situations.

I do appreciate it though. That goes for both of you!

I just did a new sketch with 2 model II's only. Not as a done deal, but just to look at. I do like like the spatial imaging idea of 3 systems...or 4! Ah, if I only knew how receptive the boys would be. Rob likes the system, but still always brings his bass amp. He doesn't quite grasp that it isn't necessary, I think. Not ever having played with Bill, I can't say one way or the other. I think Slu will be too tired to care. He will have just returned from France the day before.
 
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I think Slu will be too tired to care. He will have just returned from France the day before

I will be his humble butler.
 
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Having just found out that we're in the main hall of the convention center, and apparently a piano will be provided (don't know if digital or acoustic), I am now waiting to hear if we do indeed need to provide sound. It is possible, I suppose, that the client will have that arranged already. Not that that should inhibit L1 use, of course. Hope to know more today.
 
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waiting to hear if we do indeed need to provide sound...It is possible that the client will have that arranged already.

I wouldn't depend on the client having arranged sound.
Even if he did, you know the stage sound will be way more comfortable and familiar with the L1s as your stage monitoring.
Then...if need be, line out into FOH.
 
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Nathan -
Saw you are performing on 5/31 at a fairly large venue evidently... Just wanted to offer my entire system (Classic w/2B1s & T1), if you need and/or want to use it. You'd have to drive down here to pick it up, or perhaps I could meet you somewhere in between. I won't be using it on that date, but we have a gig on 6/7 where I'll need it. Give it some thought and let me know if you want to put everyone into their own system... You could pick it up a week in advance, if you like, so you could practice your configuration...John
 
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John, thank you! Although with my small combo, we shouldn't need it. There are a lot of Classics or Model I's here if need be, too, in addition to Pete's Model II's (remember, the most L1's per capita are in Beardstown!). So great of you to offer yours up!!

Pete,

Yep. That's right. Had a lot of thoughts yesterday, and that one slipped by.


Nothing more for now...

N
 
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In keeping with the education theme, what are your thoughts on this?

I was told today that there will be a real piano (as in, "acoustic") provided on stage, as well as full-blown lights and sound. I need to get confirmation as to what's what. I don't want to show up to a Fender Passport and a 4 light tree of Par38's (not that there's anything wrong with either of those things). By the same token, how much do I want to put in on this? Two obvious answers:

Take a bunch of L1's and have great stage sound, lining out to FOH, as Pete suggested a couple posts up. OR Just take one L1 for vocal monitoring's sake, and give them a line out of that, as would be the case with the bass amp. I assume the sound man would be mic'ing the drums up and the acoustic piano. You know, the boys aren't used to L1's for themselves anyway, and I think we are all usually quite happy with our sound. Granted, it is typically relatively quiet and not in front of 800+ guests in 1/2 of the state capital's convention center. They also have the same idea as I do about a "good" sound man. Good ones are great to have, but in our collective experience, there are far more mediocre to highly questionable ones than there are good ones. Again, just my experience and that of the guys playing for me, not a generalized opinion of sound men.

Also, the guys each have earlier gigs, so the timing will be such that they basically just come in with their instruments, sit down and play (the drums being the most time consuming, but no real issue as there will be plenty of help to get them in).

When I get some more specifics on the logistics, I'll hopefully be able to make some decision on L1 use.

Drop a thought if you have a minute...

Thanks,

N
 
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I'd just go with their setup, no L1s at all. I'm sure it will be first rate sound out front.
No louder than your group is, stage sound should be fine, no need to overwork it.
Especially considering you will be playing an hour or less.

One mic over the drums, one in the kick. Two on the piano, line out the bass. Your vocal, flute mic.
All into their PA, monitor for flute and vocal. Done.
Quick and easy.
 
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Hi Nathan

Here is the Sketch you did today.


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Quoting babyblueeyes from The Sketcher
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Edit: #2 17:55 CDT, 5-17-08
Summary - Showing acoustic piano, and one L1 for vocals, with a borrowed T1 w/ power supply; mixer denotes FOH taking master line out from T1; AUX goes to L1 channel one for vocals; White-on-green numbers denote FOH mixer inputs, yes?

Something like this. Please adjust accordingly, if necessary.

Thanks,
N
 
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Hopefully I'll get specific logistics within the next few days. Going to simply perform sure sounds intriguing, leaving the PA to the sound folks there.

Will post more later.

ST, thanks!

P, I appreciate your input and continued support.

N
 
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Hi Nathan,

In your shoes I would want to know more about the system that is there. While it would be great to be able to just show up and do the show, - well you can see where I am headed with this.

I have a gig next Saturday afternoon and then a old buddy's birthday bash a couple of hours later. Although I'll be playing at the party, there will be others too. "Sound" is provided. I would prefer to setup my L1® especially since I will have it with me in the car. But I don't want to be a show-boat about it either.

I will probably decide what I'm doing when I hear the sound when I get there.
 
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In your shoes I would want to know more about the system that is there.


Hoping to know more in the coming days.

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I would prefer to setup my L1® especially since I will have it with me in the car...I will probably decide what I'm doing when I hear the sound when I get there.


My thinking as well, especially if I can't get a clear picture ahead of time of how it will be upon my arrival.

More when I know it...

N
 
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In the interest of time and having to do a little less work, I opted to use what was available to us. Not a mistake, but not necessarily the best decision to leave my L1 at home. In short, because we're off for another gig now...

Musically, it was very good. Technically, it was pretty good for the band, not so much for the vocalist.

Ultimate summary, including audience appeal: Success.
 
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