Hi Drumr,
Southern Heritage Band

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The Southern Heritage Band

Option #1 - 2-Model II systems
4-B1s and Packlite for kick.
I Was going to put bass guitar on that same system with drums,
but I'd prefer the spatial imaging of one guitar on each side of stage.
In my experience, bass can get by with 2-B1s.

I've directed Bobby, from the band, to the forums.
He contacted me via YouTube.

Hi Pete,

You can quote this (then take out the [QUOTE ] tags at the beginning and the end.

Then you can swap the URL for your revised image with the cable runs.



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This is a band I just joined up with, 6pc Classic rock & New Country.

Two guitarists, each use electric & acoustic guitars.
Routing acoustics to Classics, channel 1.
Male & female lead vocalists will be into the T1 with the *Direct Out* of each mic channel into the L/R Classics.
Should be good *stereo* imaging.

Not mic'ing guitar amps (but there will be inputs available on Classics if they adapt).
Might talk bassist into lining out of his extensive *head* gear into my MII.

Hoping to get by with three systems so I can have one in-home for studio/rehearsal.
Also, don't really see an advantage having a fourth in this case.

Will take this to Snagit to show cable runs.
I Plan to present this sketch to the band, and explain the band/L1 spatial imaging concept.
They have been hiring a sound man prior to my joining.
I think they play quietly enough that we can make this work.

routing.

Hi Drumr,

Thanks for using The Sketcher! Here is this morning's Sketch.


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L1® Model I
L1® Model II
T1 ToneMatch® audio engine
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue ringed numbers are Channel connections to/from the Classic and Model I Systems.
Blue filled numbers are Channel connections to/from the T1 ToneMatch® audio engine.
Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.

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New band layout to (hopefully) correct problems at the last gig:
1) Guitarist (L1#4's) vocal (in audience) and guitar (to himself) were too loud w/classic system.
2) Lead singer not loud enough on Model II in center, but helped when sent Aux to 2nd Model II.

So, moving Model IIs to the outside.
Apparently the Classics are louder with vocals, so routing main lead vocals to Classics.
Guitarist #4s vocal should be quieter thru a M-II.

Will run lead vocal dual-mono to #3-4
Kick drum to #4
Guitar #1 & Harp to L1-#1
Bass to #2
Guitar #2 to #4

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Added signal routing

Hi Drumr Pete,

Your latest Sketch.


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Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue ringed numbers are Channel connections to/from the Classic and Model I Systems.
Blue filled numbers are Channel connections to/from the T1 ToneMatch™ audio engine.
Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.

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*Corner* Setup for The Soul Hoosiers w/guest bassist, Michael McClure.
Dec 13 at The Stag

Jesse Reed -vocal
John Longmire- Piano, vocal
PkV. - Drums, vocal
MrM - Bass, vocal
Larry Reisbig - guitar

Added signal routing.

Hi Drumr,

Here's your latest Sketch.


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L1® Model I/Classic
L1® Model II
T1 ToneMatch® audio engine
   Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
   Blue ringed numbers are Channel connections to/from the Classic and Model I Systems.
   Blue filled numbers are Channel connections to/from the T1 ToneMatch® audio engine.
   Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.


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Memphis Jesse & The (original) Soul Hoosiers @ The Stag, Dec 13, 2008
Founding member MrM on bass.
Live recording through the Presonus Firestudio Tube (16 channel multi-track).

Guitar, snare, and Drum Overhead mics all go direct to PFT for recording only, not routed to L1s.
Will be videotaping as well.

Hi Drumr,

Here's your latest Sketch.


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Legend
L1® Model II
T1 ToneMatch® audio engine
   Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
   Blue filled numbers are Channel connections to/from the T1 ToneMatch® audio engine.
   Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.

Some ideas
Some ideas - nothing new except for some kind of preamp for Bass Guitar (see )


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Legend
L1® Model II
T1 ToneMatch® audio engine
   Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
   Blue filled numbers are Channel connections to/from the T1 ToneMatch® audio engine.
   Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.
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ST Edits:
Added connection markers to
#1 TM to Model II TM
#2 Aux to Model II Analog

Bass to any kind of preamp - even acoustic guitar preamp to T1® 1, Channel 4

Hi ST,

Have another gig this weekend with the country band.
Am taking a Classic/T1/4-B1 for my vocal/drums.
They, so far have not asked to use the L1(s) as PA, but have now rehearsed with it, and loved it for vocals.
Diane, the bassist, had problems hearing herself on the *fast* songs, so she's not up for bass in the L1.

It's too bad too, it would work. At that rehearsal, I had only 2-B1s, I sat on them for my throne,
and Diane was about 8' away. Worked fine for the slow tunes, but lost the punch she needed to the uptempo stuff.

I'm taking enough gear to do the vocals for this gig, and see if they want to try it.
At the least, we could use the L1 as monitors and save them some work...they have a lot of gear.
Although, their monitors are the better sounding part of their PA, clean and clear, but their mains sound muffled and hollow, they are cheapo faux-EV plastic cabinets.
We'll see how it goes in this medium venue.

Dick & Diane usually set their guitar/bass amps side by side with me behind them.
Do you think the 4-B1s will be okay with her bass amp in between? I'm thinking so.

Hi Drumr Pete,

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Do you think the 4-B1s will be okay with her bass amp in between? I'm thinking so.

Sure - but you know this just cries out for another L1®.

When you do your Sketches - PLEASE save them. It takes only a tiny space in my system and it would make it so much easier to review or make suggestions later. Did I miss it? Did you save this one?

Hey Pete!

I'm with ST on this one...it looks like another, or two L1®'s would help things here.

Why not give them an L1® apiece for vocals? I know it would be more work for you to transport and setup, but since you have them leaning towards the L1® sound, I'd over do it to really convince them. And, since I know you have the systems, you get one for your drums and vocal as well. All L1® vocals. I think I'd like the sound of that!

Let them bring their amps. You can work on them later to eliminate those.

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Sure - but you know this just cries out for another L1®.

Yes, I know, but I feel that I have to work into it gradually.

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When you do your Sketches - PLEASE save them. Did I miss it? Did you save this one?

I thought I'd be a bother, so I didn't.
I will from now on.

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Why not give them an L1® apiece for vocals?

Only because they didn't ask for it.

I know they would love two systems or so, but they don't know it yet, and they are clinging to their past.
You would not believe the amount of PA gear they have, and the 55 year old wife/bassist does all the work.
Her husband, at 81 cannot help much.
I thought she'd be the first to cast off their gear when I offered the Bose, but no.

We have four bookings, so I have time to slip in gradually.
Although, I know that the sooner we go all Bose, the better.
But I'm new to them, so for now, I'll bring the gear for me, and offer it up for them to tap into if they'd like.

I understand the politics involved in this sort of situation. Old habits die hard sometimes.

Pete, you're a great L1® System pioneer. I'll look forward to the gig reports, as things progress.

Hi Drumr Pete,

Thanks for using The Sketcher! Here is your latest Sketch


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Legend
L1® Model II
T1 ToneMatch® audio engine
   Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
   Blue filled numbers are Channel connections to/from the T1 ToneMatch® audio engine.
   Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.

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The Longmire Boys (V1.3 of the Soul Hoosiers) at The Cafe, Feb 13th.
Very narrow stage, 24" height.
"Hoping" to go without keyboard and bass amps...that is yet to be determined.
Pianist "historically" plays too loud when in the Bose, hurts my ear.
I fear the same for the guitar, but am debating on running both into system 2.

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Thanks ST.

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Originally posted by JohnNell:
I understand the politics involved in this sort of situation. Old habits die hard sometimes.

Thanks for the supportive contributions John.
I think Midnight Wind will hop on the wagon pretty quickly, I just want it to be their idea.
Their music would benefit hugely from the Bose systems.

Got to the venue...very little room for an L1, so I didn't use it at all.
I could have set it up, but then my vocal might have been too clear on stage.
Isn't it odd that that is a bad thing?

Gig went well, nice groove, although most of the time I couldn't tell, the audience reinforced the band's comments about it though.

I had my vocal in their PA of course, couldn't hear it well all night...it was muddy.
My bass drum sounded very good "in-the-room"...that was a nice and unexpected bonus.

Set up and tear down was a breeze.

Here is a pic from my setup.
I didn't know at the time that two more players were going to bring in gear.
I'd thought about setting up on the lower stage, glad I didn't, I'd have had to move.

Drums-behind-everything is weird, but as long as I played really quietly, I could hear okay.