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Hi Drumr,

Thanks for using The Sketcher! Here is your Sketch.



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Legend:
L1® Model II
T1 ToneMatch® audio engine
L1® Compact
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue filled numbers are Channel connections to/from the T1 ToneMatch™ audio engine.
Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.

Quoting Drumr from The Sketcher
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ST,
This is the layout for the Duo this Saturday.
Room is long/narrow, with an L at the far end.
We sit in a corner at an angle due to a fireplace we will set up in front of.

I wonder about teaming the Compact with the L1.
Guitarist with amp and compact is the main singer, can he compete with 2nd vocalist on the MII?

Guitarist insists on own amp for acoustic gtr.
(although I will ask him to try the Compact channel 2 just for kicks.

Keyboardist also plays acoustic and accordion.
I'd like to go with mixed systems just to save myself some in/out labor.
 
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Hi Drumr,

Is that Duo plus You on PorchBoard and Snare with Hi-Hat?

If the fireplace is non-functional and there is a metal grille, take some dark rags to stuff into the crevices around the grille just in case it resonates. One venue I know has the stage in front of a corner fireplace. Every time someone hits a low G the grille starts resonating and it sounds awful.

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Originally posted by Drumr:
I wonder about teaming the Compact with the L1.
Guitarist with amp and compact is the main singer, can he compete with 2nd vocalist on the MII?


From what I've experienced when running both a Compact and Model II at the same time: I'd say "yes" out to about 40-50 feet. Beyond that, the Compact can keep up but the stage volume for the Compact will have to be significantly higher than the stage volume with the Model II.

For me, the big question is "How far do you have to be able to project into this space?"
 
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The room is probably 50' deep, not counting the "L" arm of it, so distance is okay.
But the singer will be new to the system, and will not be used to eating the mic, and having it as loud on stage as we know it needs to be.

I've thought of just using the MII for everyone, but the guitarist/singer, who I would put in the Compact owns a music store near here. I'd really like for him to hear both systems, so that's the way to go.
 
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I chickened out on using the Compact, and I'm happy I did.
The singer wouldn't eat-the-mic, making his voice *just* audible.
With the Compact, it wouldn't have made into the audience well enough.
But all in all the sound and performance was good, we had a pretty good groove for our first time at it.

The keyboardist got right on the mic and sounded good.
The Porchboard bass did a great job of simulating bass guitar/drum for this kind of low volume gig.
It actually got pretty loud at some points, they did more modern music than I expected.
The club manager and audience loved the music, and we will be invited back.

I didn't get any good pictures of the room, but shot some video.
You can find it here.

The cam was 20' from us, but only 6' from them, so a bit noisy.

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Hi Drumr,

Thanks for using The Sketcher! Here is your Sketch.



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Legend:
L1® Model I/Classic
L1® Model II
T1 ToneMatch® audio engine
L1® Compact
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue ringed numbers are Channel connections to/from the Classic and Model I Systems.
Blue filled numbers are Channel connections to/from the T1 ToneMatch™ audio engine.
Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.

Quoting Drumr from The Sketcher
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Two different setups for the same band.
Left using a Compact for Drumr's vocal.
Right Using an L1/Model II w/1-B1.
Both setups use bassist's L1 for kick drum.

Lightening the load/shortening setup time with real drums.

 
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Soul Hoosiers @ The Cafe - 4/24/10
Hi Drumr,

Thanks for using The Sketcher!

Here is your latest Sketch for Soul Hoosiers @ The Cafe - 4/24/10


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Legend:
L1® Model II
T1 ToneMatch® audio engine
L1® Compact
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue filled numbers are Channel connections to/from the T1 ToneMatch® audio engine.
Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.

Quoting Drumr from The Sketcher
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Soul Hoosiers @ The Cafe - 4/24/10
System #1 on the floor, front corner of the stage.
Aux out to Compact for monitor.

Bass/vocal & kick drum in system #2
 
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Hi Drumr,

Here is your latest Sketch.

This is just a quick note to send you a link to your Sketch in case you want to review it, edit it, or share it with others.


-- click image to make changes to the live version --

Legend:
T1 ToneMatch® audio engine
L1® Compact
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue filled numbers are Channel connections to/from the T1 ToneMatch® audio engine.
Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.

Quoting Drumr from The Sketcher
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This looks very much like our room dimensions at the Open Mic, at the Kuhl Tyme Tavern.
Using a single Model II at the last open mic, left keyboardist's vocal too far from the L1
causing some serious eye/ear disconnect.

Hoping this setup with two Compacts will sound more "spatial".

Compact #1 will be Stan, the host, with his acoustic
Compact #2 will be Robert, his keys, vocal, & gtr w/POD, sharing w/drummer's vocal
Sit-ins usually use Stan's guitar and mic, but any mic can suffice.


 
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Hi Drumr,

Here is your Sketch for
Hill Prairie Winery - Outdoor festival
Sunday July 24th, 2011




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Legend:
L1® Model II
T1 ToneMatch® audio engine
L1® Compact
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue filled numbers are Channel connections to/from the T1 ToneMatch® audio engine.
Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.

Quoting Drumr from The Sketcher
quote:
Hill Prairie Winery - Outdoor festival
Sunday July 24th, 2011
 
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THE URGE
Hi Drumr,

Here is your Sketch of THE URGE.


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Legend:
L1® Model I/Classic
L1® Model II
T1 ToneMatch® audio engine
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue ringed numbers are Channel connections to/from the Classic and Model I Systems.
Blue filled numbers are Channel connections to/from the T1 ToneMatch® audio engine.
Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.

Quoting Drumr from The Sketcher
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THE URGE- My former 90's classic rock band.
Set up for a few possible reuinion gigs this year, before I sell the farm.

Rick, on Guitar is from The Cubs, a devout L1 user.
Not sure the other two will go that route, but I'm hopeful.

 
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Culvert Illusion
Hi Drumr,

Thanks for using The Sketcher! Here is your Sketch.



-- click image to make changes to the live version --

Legend:
L1® Model II
T1 ToneMatch® audio engine
L1® Compact
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue filled numbers are Channel connections to/from the T1 ToneMatch® audio engine.
Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.

Quoting Drumr from The Sketcher
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This is a "daydream" sketch for Culvert Illusion, a band that I don't, nor probably ever will play with, but it's fun to think about this setup
and how nice it would look.

Most of the guys in this band are from Sundown, the loud band I played in two years ago.
Good musicians, but are always obscured by speakers on sticks, floor monitors, and music stands.
Guitarist also insists on wedge monitors.

Saw them a few weeks back, good music, but the sound was a bit loud and uneven.
Would love to see them with a good clean, clear system.

The mic'd amps and keys are just to show that it could be done with available inputs.
Model II #3 and the Compact would be vocal monitors for systems 1 & 2.

ST, this reinforces my thought that a band this size, who mics the kick, really needs at least 3 full size L1s.
That fact that the "backline" L1 could possibly handle all the monitoring is also a plus.
I just throw in the Compact for extra monitoring since I have them.

 
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Hi Drumr,

Why not put all the L1®s behind the band and get -

- localization
- better monitoring
- decreased stage width
 
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Why not put all the L1®s behind the band and get -

I thought this set up would be a way to get them to "try" the L1s without being too different from what they are used to. Then maybe, gradually, move the outside L1s back and inward. But it's all a pipe dream anyway, their guitarist/soundman would never allow this. Not in a million years. I was just dreaming of how good they could sound. They are good musicians and play cool songs.
 
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Hi Drumr,

This new Sketch just showed up with all the L1®s behind the band (and Compact removed) - was this you?



-- click image to make changes to the live version --

Legend:
L1® Model II
T1 ToneMatch® audio engine
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue filled numbers are Channel connections to/from the T1 ToneMatch® audio engine.
Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.

Quoting Drumr from The Sketcher
quote:


This is a "daydream" sketch for Culvert Illusion, a band that I don't, nor probably ever will play with, but it's fun to think about this setup
and how nice it would look.

Most of the guys in this band are from Sundown, the loud band I played in two years ago.
Good musicians, but are always obscured by speakers on sticks, floor monitors, and music stands.
Guitarist also insists on wedge monitors.

Saw them a few weeks back, good music, but the sound was a bit loud and uneven.
Would love to see them with a good clean, clear system.

The mic'd amps and keys are just to show that it could be done with available inputs.
Model II #3 and the Compact would be vocal monitors for systems 1 & 2.

ST, this reinforces my thought that a band this size, who mics the kick, really needs at least 3 full size L1s.
That fact that the "backline" L1 could possibly handle all the monitoring is also a plus.
I just throw in the Compact for extra monitoring since I have them.

 
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Hi Drumr,

This new Sketch just showed up with all the L1®s behind the band (and Compact removed) - was this you?

Yes it was.
Thanks.
 
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I've been in communication with one of the keyboard players, their lead singer.
We are planning to play a duo gig sometime in the near future.
He mentions that he is getting weary of the volume, and wants to try a side project.
I'd like to do something with both keyboardists and the TrapKAT.
 
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Doolins at Schuyler County Fair - Pepsi Tent

Hi Drumr,

Thanks for using The Sketcher! Here is this afternoon's Sketch.



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Legend:
L1® Model II
T1 ToneMatch® audio engine
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue filled numbers are Channel connections to/from the T1 ToneMatch® audio engine.
Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.

Quoting Drumr from The Sketcher
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Doolins at Schuyler County Fair - Pepsi Tent.
 
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I've found out we are playing on an 8'x28' by 3' high stage, big enough for the band, front to back.
Three feet tall is pushing it, but might work out.
The tent is 60x90' with a beer counter at the back, and they expect 1,000 people in the tent (4,000 for the big show).
This is pushing the limits of the three Model IIs don't you think?

Still, I think this can work.
I am willing to try putting the two "outside" L1s up front of stage to get more volume, and use two Compacts for monitors.
It doesn't thrill me to give up that confidence about the mix out front, but it would give us more vocal volume.
Of course, that doesn't meant the drums and guitars will keep up either.

Hmmm.
 
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Hi Drumr,

60' x 90'

Is it 60 from front to back - or - 90

Is there a dance floor in front of the stage?

Do you have a any kind of wireless gear. I'd be tempted to set up one or two Compacts at the back if it is 90'. One would probably be fine. It would be easier to do wireless, but if you have enough XLR cables to reach you could make it work.

If you have a cardioid pattern microphone and set that up at the front centre of the stage, that probably do what you need to feed a Compact in the back.
 
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Running sound from the Drum position

Hi Drumr,



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Legend:
L1® Model II
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue filled numbers are Channel connections to/from the T1 ToneMatch® audio engine.
Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.

Quoting Drumr from The Sketcher
quote:
Doolins at Schuyler County Fair - Pepsi Tent.
I run sound from drum position.
 
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