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Hi Cliff,

edit:

Please join me back in the Bose for small church pa thread.

I've copied your posts over there.

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To All:

If you want to use The Sketcher to plan your own situation, and then to print it for your band mates or others, go right ahead.

Printing is easy:
Right click on the stage area then choose Print.

Leave me a note here if you want me to post a *.gif file version for you.


When you create the sketch, please you enter your Bose ID so I can identify it correctly.

Enjoy.
 
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Update: We are up to version 2.0

Please try it out at The Sketcher v 2.0.

The biggest difference you should notice is speed. It should load much faster.

I've also added electronic drums and some percussion instruments.

The easiest way to use it is to drag any instruments and mics and symbols you think you will need onto the stage, and then move them around.

If you get a chance, I'd appreciate it if you would try it out and let me know what you think by posting something here, or you can add notes within the tool if you prefer.

Thanks
 
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Someone has put a lot of thought into this one.

To whoever did this: If you want to make changes, please go to The Sketcher V2.0 version I made up for you.

I'm in the process of 'winding down' the version in which you created this.




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This layout is for a church that holds services in a small gymnasium-like room.

Because the stage is so big (roughly 30-35w X 20-25d), I would suggest that we start by putting all of the Bose systems along the back of the stage area and pull the musicians and vocalists as far out from the systems as possible.

Then, if it works for the group, bring the drums forward and off to one side. This puts the drummer well into the sound field for all towers and allows the him to judge how loud he needs to play to blend with the band, so you shouldn't need a drum cage.

I'd run the submix for the top half of the drum kit into channel three of tower #4 behind him (single B1). Then run the keyboard into channel 4, with his vocal into channel 1 (you could also move the keyboard to the other side of the stage if he's too close to the drums). That leaves channel 2 for a vocal on that system if needed.

Next, to the (stage) right of the drummer, I would put the bass player, plugged directly into channel 1 (using one of the great bass presets) of the 2-B1 system #3.

Then I would run the kick drum mic (Audix D6, if possible) into channel 2 (using the Audix D6 preset if appropriate). Just in case we need a little more low end on the top part of the drum kit, I would run a bass line out from system #4 to channel 3 of system #3. That leaves channel 4 of system #3 for a vocal (if there are enough inputs available on the drum submixer, you could use another output channel of that mixer as a preamp for the mic or you could just get a very inexpensive 2-input submixer for under $75). For system #2, You could either run two vocals into channels 1
 
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Hi ST,

We're planning a concert series for the Fall here in the Live Music Listening Room. (Go here for more info on the room.)

One of the groups uses a B3 and Leslie, not uncommon, as you know. Any chance of adding these to the palette?

We have another group where the lead player uses a vibrophone. This is more unusual, and I don't know if you have more room on the palette?
 
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Hi Ken,

I'll see what I can do.

Just experimenting with having multiple palettes as there is so little room on the screen.

That may take a bit.
 
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Hi ST,

If these things don't fit, perhaps you could have a single keboard picture, then a bunch of labels that you could drag onto the keyboard:

Yamaha xxx
Nord Electro
Roland xxx
Hammond B3
7' Grand Piano
Upgright Piano
etc.

(Could save some space by striking the big image of the grand piano.)

What do you think?
 
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channels 1

Hi ST,

The layout with a lot of thought was me. Its for one of my clients. There was more to the text, including a note for you letting you know it was me and asking pretty please for some nice wires. Smile

Larry

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Hi Larry,

This seems to be your text (as much as I got). I'm off to figure out why it wasn't all visible.

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This layout is for a church that holds services in a small gymnasium-like room. Because the stage is so big (roughly 30-35w X 20-25d), I would suggest that we start by putting all of the Bose systems along the back of the stage area and pull the musicians and vocalists as far out from the systems as possible. Then, if it works for the group, bring the drums forward and off to one side. This puts the drummer well into the sound field for all towers and allows the him to judge how loud he needs to play to blend with the band, so you shouldn''t need a drum cage.

I''d run the submix for the top half of the drum kit into channel three of tower #4 behind him (single B1). Then run the keyboard into channel 4, with his vocal into channel 1 (you could also move the keyboard to the other side of the stage if he''s too close to the drums). That leaves channel 2 for a vocal on that system if needed. Next, to the (stage) right of the drummer, I would put the bass player, plugged directly into channel 1 (using one of the great bass presets) of the 2-B1 system #3. Then I would run the kick drum mic (Audix D6, if possible) into channel 2 (using the Audix D6 preset if appropriate).

Just in case we need a little more low end on the top part of the drum kit, I would run a bass line out from system #4 to channel 3 of system #3. That leaves channel 4 of system #3 for a vocal (if there are enough inputs available on the drum submixer, you could use another output channel of that mixer as a preamp for the mic or you could just get a very inexpensive 2-input submixer for under $75).

For system #2, You could either run two vocals into channels 1 & 2 and the guitar(s?) into 3 & 4 or you could run the acoustic guitar and its vocal into 1 & 2 and and put the other vocal in tower #1. I would then run the electric guitar via its Line6 POD into channel 3 of system #1 and the remaining vocals into channels 1 & 2. This layout maximizes your use of the Bose presets where it counts (bass, kick drum, acoustic guitar, and vocals), provides a maximum of control over levels to the musicians, and spreads the vocals as much as possible between the four Bose systems.The only thing we haven''t considered is the pastor mics, but it looks like there may still be enough inputs available to handle this either direct or via a submixer, depending upon the number of mics required. The only caveat here is to avoid omnidirectional lavalier mics if at all possible.

If you can remove the piano, since you don't currently use it, that will let you spread out a little bit more, but if it stays, I would try to avoid putting a Bose system directly behind it. If you ever decide to use it, I would pull it out on the stage as much as possible and run a single mic into it with the top closed.

ST: Can you please run some wires for this one? Feel free to make comments and suggestions, too. Thanks. Larry - Gitarzan
 
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Yes, that's it, it just didn't show up. Also, I just re-did the big latin band layout and almost all of the text was missing from the preview. I hope you got it, that was a lot of work. Smile

Larry
 
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Hi Larry,

Yes, got it all. What was happening (not that it really matters) is that ampersands "&" were messing up display of the text. I've added a little routine that replaces ampersands with the word "and" and things seem to be working fine.

Here's view of the last stage layout you did.

Sorry it took me so long to figure out what was happening.

I'll have the .gif file for you soon.
 
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Hi Larry,



To all: Here are Larry's explanatory notes.
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Revised layout for large latin band for Knoxville gig on 6/8:

#1: PS1/L1/B1 - Piano using 1 SM57 into Ch2 and timbale SM57 into Ch1
#2: PS1/L1/2xB1 - Timbale vocal into Ch1, Bass guitar into Ch2, and conga rack SM57 thru small mixer into Ch3
#3: PS1-only w/bass line outs from #2 and #5 into Ch1 and Ch2, outputs to 4 B1s
#4: Stack of 4 B1s connected to amp 2 and amp 3 outputs of #3
#5: Two SM57s passively out of phase into Ch. 1, Kick mic (AKG D112) into Ch. 2
#6: Lead vocal (Audix OM-6) into Ch. 1, conga rack mics (SM57) thru small mixer into Ch. 2
#7: Background vocal (Audix OM-5) into Ch. 1, bongo mic (SM57) into Ch. 2
#8: PS1/L1 (no B1s) with trumpet mics into Ch. 1 and 2
#9: Trombone mic into Ch. 2, Sax mic into Ch. 1

ST: Can you please add wires appropriately. If possible, I would like a GIF of this, too. Thanks.

Larry



Here's a link to a the full-sized version which is wide enough to make a mess of the forum layout. (Hence the link).

If you are using Internet Explorer, right click on the link above and choose "Save Target As" to save the file to your machine.

If you are using a Mozilla based browser, you can do the same thing *but* you have to remove the extension ".html" at the end of the file name.

Let me know if that works for you.

Which of the two most recent do you need "wired" first?

(Latin Band or Church)

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ST - you are a gifted mind! What a wonderful tool you've created!
Ken


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Hi Ken,

Thanks for the suggestions.

I'm still hoping to have specialized palettes of instruments, but I'm of two minds about this.

If we are trying to help people visualize the physical layouts, then one electric guitar is the same as another, and all electronic keyboards are pretty similar give or take a foot. (Speaking of physical size - not sound).

There is a big difference when we are talking about a B3 with a Leslie, or a vibraphone, if only in terms of the physical space required.

As far as naming the makes/models of things (like electronic keyboards) we have the 'numbering' system. This generic enough that if it is important to add a detailed information you can do it with a number and clarify in the notes. Larry (gitarzan) used the numbers in the example above.

I need to think on this a little more.

Edit - after all that, I've added the Nord Electro, Changed the Grand Piano, and I'm working on the others.


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Originally posted by Ken-at-Bose:
Hi ST,

If these things don't fit, perhaps you could have a single keboard picture, then a bunch of labels that you could drag onto the keyboard:

Yamaha xxx
Nord Electro
Roland xxx
Hammond B3
7' Grand Piano
Upgright Piano
etc.

(Could save some space by striking the big image of the grand piano.)

What do you think?

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Hi Alan,

Right now I'm resisting having labels directly on the diagram because sooner of later I'll need some white space for the wires.

Still thinking. We may end up with two completely different tools. Similar, but different:

One - for people who are new to the Bose System who are basically answering the question, "What does your band look like now?" (my first question when people ask for a 'sketch')

Two - for people who are doing more detailed stage plots.

I think we may be pretty close to the first already, and the second may be beyond what I can do on the web.

What I am pondering is how to distinguish what is required to meet the needs of the first group, and how not to get lost trying to satisfy the second.



So much to consider, but I am truly grateful for all the suggestions.

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Thanks, ST! You rock! The latin band would be the highest priority, since the event is tomorrow.

Larry
 
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Hi Larry,

Just flying out the door. Hope this works for you.

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Link to big version (download instructions as in the post a few back - using right mouse click).

Edit - back at the computer... I've added a title and colour key.

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Wow! Nicely done ST.

Dan


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As usual, ST, you have outdone yourself. As I mentioned in my post about the event, I now have one more tower, so I think the mixers can go away. This will be a great template to work from though. Thanks!

Larry
 
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ST,

It would be very useful to have some ability to group/ungroup objects to facilitate moving things around. Not critical, but nice.

Larry
 
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