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Hi TaxesdeBase

Here is your latest.


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Is there anything we can do to help?
 
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Hi ddg874,

Thanks for using The Sketcher!

This is just a quick note to send you a link to your Sketch in case you want to review it, edit it, or share it with others.


-- click image to make changes to the live version --

Codes:
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue ringed numbers are Channels on the Systems.
Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.

Quoting ddg874 from The Sketcher
quote:
This is our current setup right now. All vocals (even the kick drum mic) go into the PAS (via the mixer) plus the keyboard on the the PAS's Ch3 input. This setup seemed ok for me (keyboard) and some members but other band members (who are not fully sold to this new way yet and are kind "loudness addicts") are thinking about contributing financially to buy another PAS because they think this setup, though quite satisfactory in our rehearsal's small venue, is weak or not loud enough (don't get me wrong, I am not stopping them from buying another one :-) but...). My question is, what will be an ideal gain structure for this current setup for me to demonstrate to the non-believing members that this can get loud and will not feedback despite it being behind the vocal mics? I am MAINLY concerned of gain structure here because of another possible point of failure namely, the mixer, added to the mix. In rehearsals, I get feedback when one member tried to turn up a microphone (2nd guitar player's on the right of the illustration) from the mixer. Additionally, what gain structure changes should happen when we add another PAS. Please direct me to a thread if this has been discussed in the past. Thanks.

On the other hand, I had to say, by the way, that we got a lot of compliments from other people hanging out to listen to our rehersal with this setup. I didn't even pan people's mics accordingly to their position yet (forgot to do that)


Sorry for the delay in getting this posted for you. Been away from the machine for most of the day.


I'll start a new discussion for this and work on some answers for you soon.

EDIT:

I KNEW this looked familiar.

Let's keep the discussion going in our other thread:

The only L1™ in the Ensemble - ddg874
 
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Hi acousticaoc,

Thanks for using The Sketcher!

This is just a quick note to send you a link to your Sketch in case you want to review it, edit it, or share it with others.


-- click image to make changes to the live version --

Codes:
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue ringed numbers are Channels on the Systems.
Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.

Quoting acousticaoc from The Sketcher
quote:
3 Vocal Mics and Kick Drum Mic into Mackie 1402VLZ -
3 SM57's, 1 Beta58. Pan all L or R on Mackie -
Low Z out (L or R) from Mackie into PS-1 Ch. 1 - Preset 16

Acoustic Guitar Direct into Ch. 2 on PS-1 - Preset 40

Electric Bass - May be using separate bass amp OR Ch. 3 or 4 on PS-1

All Acoustic Music with light drums
2 and 3 part vocal harmonies

Whadya think? Too much for one system?
 
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Hi acousticaoc

I will start a new discussion for soon - and then we can get into this.

But the quick answer is - it depends.

SO

Can you tell us more about the kinds of music you will be doing, where you will be doing it (size of room, size of audience), and what the audience will be doing during the show.

Thanks.


EDIT - I've started a new discussion for you.

Too much for one system?

This message has been edited. Last edited by: ST,
 
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Hi jsh,

Thanks for using The Sketcher!

This is just a quick note to send you a link to your Sketch in case you want to review it, edit it, or share it with others.


-- click image to make changes to the live version --

Codes: (I'll add these later)
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue ringed numbers are Channels on the Systems.
Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.

Quoting jsh from The Sketcher
quote:
we have 6 musicians using 5 stringed instruments, 2 vocalist, 1 drummer using 4 mics on his kit.
we also have up to 4 wireless mics for a speaker and skit group that need to be hooked in to the system. Sometimes our group plays for but not limited to 650-700 guest. we mainly do contemporary worship. We are used to having a loud set and have more of a modern rock feel. what would you recommend for us to use as far as a bose sound system to use?



Thank you for all the information. Just a couple of questions for you.

Is there one venue (perhaps the one that seats 650-700 people) where you play most often? Do you have pictures or a web site. I'm looking for architectural features that may be relevant like:
  • balconies
  • alcoves
  • raised stage
  • stage size
  • projection screen
 
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Hi jsh

I've started a new discussion for you.

Please join me here:

Six Performers / contemporary workship - jsh


Thanks.
 
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Hi mlonneman,

Thanks for using The Sketcher!

This is just a quick note to send you a link to your Sketch in case you want to review it, edit it, or share it with others.


-- click image to make changes to the live version --

Quoting mlonneman from The Sketcher
quote:
stacked 2X2


Mike, is that you?

Is there anything I can do to help?
 
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Hi atabner,

Thanks for using The Sketcher!

This is just a quick note to send you a link to your Sketch in case you want to review it, edit it, or share it with others.


-- click image to make changes to the live version --

Codes:
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue ringed numbers are Channels on the Systems.
Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.

Quoting atabner from The Sketcher
quote:
The percusion section involved various percussion including bongos, dumbek (?spelling) and shakers etc.


A couple of questions for you:



Please tell us more about your music:

  • What kind(s) of music you play,
  • Where you do it (size, type of venue)
  • Who is there (audience) - how many, what are they doing while you are performing
 
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Apologies for the initial lack of info.

Yes, both the guitars are electro-acoustics, with in-built electronics.

Both teh mics you asked about are supposed to simulate vocal mics. The one over the percussion is micing one item at a time ie. bongos or shaker or maraccas etc.

We play acoustic covers of reasonably well known stuff eg brown eyed girl, sweet home alabama etc.

We generally play in bars, pubs and clubs, looking at a normal audience of 150, max 300. They're usually (hopefully!) dancing whilst we play.

Thanks,

A
 
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Hi A

Here is your standard, recommended approach with one L1™ for each performer.




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Codes:
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue ringed numbers are Channels on the Systems.


(Did I understand that correctly) is the microphone in the middle for the percussionist doing vocals?

I understand that the microphone near the percussions instruments, is for the instruments.


Does the Guitarist using System 3 ever sing?
 
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Hi there, yes you did understand that correctly.

Guitarist on system 3 occassionally talks between songs, but there's definately no singing!

What would be the minimum set-up we could get away with? We're getting regular gigs, but we're still students so cash is very definately an issue.
 
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Here is how you could set-up with two Systems.


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Codes:
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue ringed numbers are Channels on the Systems.

We are using System 1 as before.

Your Percussionist and the non-singing Guitarist are sharing System 2.

We are relying on the preamp in the Guitar for tone and volume control.

Let's keep the two Guitars are coming through two Systems and the two voices ane coming through two Systems. You should get a great sense of who is doing what. That aspect is often referred to as localization.

If your second Guitarist is doing lead work, there may nor be much overlap in when s/he is playing and the vocalists are singing. Similarly there may not be much overlap in tonal ranges.

This setup will probably sound pretty good.

In case you are wondering, I'm sure that you will want two. B1 bass modules for the percussion on System 2.

How does that look?
 
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Looks good to me, thanks for your help.
 
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Hi Groove Mammal,

Thanks for using The Sketcher!

This is just a quick note to send you a link to your Sketch in case you want to review it, edit it, or share it with others.


-- click image to make changes to the live version --

Codes:
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue ringed numbers are Channels on the Systems.
Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.

Quoting Groove Mammal from The Sketcher
quote:
The Vocalist on the #1 mic, has a very soft voice with little projection. It has been impossible to turn up her mic without feedback on the gigs. Thus, she can barley making the bose system a little frustrating. We have not yet upgraded the software to vs. 2 yet.

Groove Mammal
 
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Hi soundmaverick,

Thanks for using The Sketcher!

This is just a quick note to send you a link to your Sketch in case you want to review it, edit it, or share it with others.


-- click image to make changes to the live version --

Codes:
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue ringed numbers are Channels on the Systems.
Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.

Quoting soundmaverick from The Sketcher
quote:
The Flutes are my snake -- the black thing is my snake box
1,2,and3 go into the front snake
4, 5, and the two L1s connect to the back snake

#6 is the mix going to a live video feed
#7 is firewire to live computer recording on a Mac



This looks familiar, so I'll take a look back to see if we have discussed this before.
 
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Hi mnmoore74,

Thanks for using The Sketcher!

This is just a quick note to send you a link to your Sketch in case you want to review it, edit it, or share it with others.


-- click image to make changes to the live version --

Codes: (we will use these later)
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue ringed numbers are Channels on the Systems.
Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.

Interesting stage setup.

Please tell us more about your music:

  • What kind(s) of music you play,
  • Where you do it (size, type of venue)
  • Who is there (audience) - how many, what are they doing while you are performing
 
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Hi jeremy b,

Thanks for using The Sketcher!

This is just a quick note to send you a link to your Sketch in case you want to review it, edit it, or share it with others.


-- click image to make changes to the live version --
Here is a link to the full sized version of the image.

Codes:
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue ringed numbers are Channels on the Systems.
Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.

It looks like an interesting stage layout, and it looks like you have a plan. Is there anyway I can help?
 
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Hi psalmist,

Thanks for using The Sketcher!

This is just a quick note to send you a link to your Sketch in case you want to review it, edit it, or share it with others.


-- click image to make changes to the live version --
Here is a link to the full sized version of the image.

Codes:
Orange numbers are Systems and Inputs using those Systems.
Blue ringed numbers are Channels on the Systems.
Green numbers are for general notes about the Sketch and connections to non-Bose gear.

Quoting psalmist from The Sketcher
quote:
Contemporary Worship Team - (David Crowder, Third Day, Newsboys, etc..)

- Wireless Lapel Mic for Pastor or Guest Speaker (#3 white circle)
- Wireless Senheisser (Countryman) mic for Worship Leader (switches between keyboard,gutar)
- Wireless Senheisser pickup on Worship Leader's Guitar

Tower #1 - All backup vocals. Back up vocalists may change to lead vocalist on some songs (choir mics?)
Tower #2 - Groove - Drums, Percussion, Bass (add 2 subs and sub amp)
Tower #3 - Worship Leader's Instruments and vocals
Tower #4 - Rhythm - Lead Guitar, Rhythm Guitar, Keyboard #2

Signal Path ?
- Instruments and vocals into 100' snake
- Snake to 24 channel, 4 bus , Mackie VLZ Pro Board (eq's, fx, etc..)
- Mackie Vlz Pro Sub Outs 1 thru 4 to Towers 1 thru 4 respectively
Can also use Aux sends 1 thru 4 to Towers 1 thru 4 respectively (may provide tighter control of each tower mix)
 
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Hi vampirelover,

Thanks for using The Sketcher!

This is just a quick note to send you a link to your Sketch in case you want to review it, edit it, or share it with others.

Before I setup your stage with the Bose L1™s:

Do you put microphones on the Drums?
Is that microphone near the Drum Kit for the Drummer's vocals?



-- click image to make changes to the live version --

Please tell us about your music:

  • What kind(s) of music you play,
  • Where you do it (size, type of venue)
  • Who is there (audience) - how many, what are they doing while you are performing
 
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