After owning the Bose now for over a year, I am sad to say the time has now come for us to part.
It just does not meet my requirements and alas it has to go.
I perform a lot here in N Ireland in crowded noisy bars with my solo show using backing tracks and live lead guitar/vocals and the L1 struggles most nights.
If it is a quiet relaxed gig then the Bose is perfect, but it does not compete with a trad pa in noisy environments and is just limiting all the time with the music dropping volume when singing.
Please don't get me wrong the Bose is a wonderful piece of equipment but just not for me.
I have tried everything to get along with the L1, I have purchased an active monitor to help me
to hear better, new allen and Heath desk to use instead of T1 (as I thought it might be causing the limiting/compressing probs.
Will prob hold on to the T1 though and use with my old pa as it is a brill desk.
Thanks to everyone on the forum for your help this last year and I wish you all the best.
Well , it look like you certainly gave your system a chance to please you. Sometimes things just don't work out for us musicians do they? I own a Model2 and a compact and Tone matc. I also own Allen & Health Mixer. So it seems we have the same basic equipment. Over 50 years of performing for me and my Bose Systems have provided more than enught pure clean power in all room sizes and crowd noises. Sometimes things just don't work out and I wish you luck in the future and also wish that a Bose Engineer could be nearby you to check out your system.
All the Best to you in the future!
'music is neither new or old.....it just "is"
Sorry to hear that the L1® wasn't a good fit with your show, but I'm glad that you continue to find value in your T1®.
Enjoy the Music!
Thanks guys, I do wish there was a Bose engineer nearby that maybe could have advised me because I did do a gig last night with my old powered 1000watt desk and 15" bins and 12" tops and it sounded nowhere as good or as clear as the L1.
Vocals werent squashed though and did sound louder to compete with the crowd, but still wasnt the same.
Curse you Bose for making such a wonderful sounding system...lol
could you tell me what the A&heath desk sounds like in place of the t1 cheers
The desk I got to use with the bose was a allen and heath zed 10fx.
Its a small desk with onboard effects etc, I used it a few nights as a trial and it sounded good, not as digital i dont think (but then again the T1 doesnt sound as digital when it is inserted into the analog in.
Its a good desk but the features on the T1 are amazing and compliment the L1 superbly
Hope this helps,
Please explain what you mean in saying the L1 music drops in volume when you sing with the system.
So far I can't get my voice in the mix. Maybe that is my problem.
well i had problems when i was using the re-verb on the t1,on a gig this weekend the power supply from my tc helicon re-verb came adrift so i had to try and use the built in fx of the t1 the sound dropped and was awful ,luckily my wife who controls the mixing noticed that the plug had come adrift and plugged it in it was a TOTAL difference,with the built in t1 re-verb i could not get my voice in the mix,but never have experienced compressing of the vocals as you describe,i am sorry i keep knocking the t1 efx ,maybe mine is faulty.
Hi Dance Host,
When i say the music drops in volume I mean just that.
If i was singing and a loudpart of the song was required (vocally) then the music would drop down in volumne for a second so as to compensate for the change in volume and dynamics and would restore to the original volume again when the loud part was over, basically the system was protecting itself and limiting (and at volumes no where near what i require)
I always had trouble with the vocal side of things as my past posts indicate, I never could get the vocal like the way it was in my old Pa and was always souinding "tinny" and lost in the mix.But having purchased the Bose from a dealer here in N. Ireland and one week after purchasing realising it was not for me could not get my money back or return to the dealer I had to make do with it.
It is a great system for an acoustic artist I believe in a room full of attentive audience members and I believe that in this environment the system will shine.
Hi Dance Host,
Your might find this previous discussion interesting. system sounds as if it is compressed. It is all about what Davey (Renegade) was experiencing with his L1®.
Thanks ST. Interesting discussion. I gather this is a unique problem to Renegade. I am going to set up and put in some more reverb and delay in my vocals and see if that helps me mix better. Have a soft baritone voice.
Hi Dance Host,
I have started a new discussion for you here:
Can't get my voice in the mix
Please follow the link.
[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]Thanks ST. Interesting discussion. I gather this is a unique problem to Renegade.[/QUOTE]
This is not a unique problem to me, I have read this forum inside out since I joined over a year ago, do a search for "squashing" for example or "limiting" and you will see.
2 of my friends here in Ireland have sold their Bose because of the same problems I was having, so obviously not designed for what we are using them for.
The dealer I purchased from promised me the moon and stars with this system saying that it would replace my old pa and play in rooms of up to 500 people (not a chance)and would not refund when i knew it wouldnt.
Please dont get me wrong I am not trying to say anything bad about the bose because the sound quality (at low vol/moderate volumes) is absolutely superb and the portability of the L1 is great, I tried so very hard to get along with this system (if you check my posts I have tried 3 different systems each one the same)but Bose really should be more informative about the limits of the L1 (500 people all sitting listening in a theatre for example will work, 100 noisy people in a bar wont)
I tend to agree with Davy. Over the years there have been several who have purchased the L1 only to be disappointed that it didn't meet their needs, or expectations. Davy hung in there longer than many, trying the different suggestions that were offered by some of us who just couldn't understand that it wasn't working for him.
Styles, trends, habits, are different from place to place, culture to culture. Needs, as perceived by me, might not be the same for those playing someplace I've never been.
I think Bose did a masterful job of designing a system that when used as designed will satisfy the needs of maybe 90% of solo performers, perhaps 75 or 80% of bands performing in small venues, but there are some performers / venues for whom they (L1s) just won't get the job done.
For those of us who have grown to love the L1 and the difference it makes for us, we tend to think those who find it lacking, just don't get it. They don't understand what we know, or they are not doing something right. Sometimes, regretfully, I have to come to the conclusion that folks that give it their best shot and are still not happy, actually know what they want, and the L1 doesn't provide it. I have visited Davy's web site and watched his videos. He is an accomplished musician / singer. He didn't become what he is by not knowing what he was doing.
If the L1 wasn't different from conventional equipment, there would be no reason to change to it. If one is successful and feels no need or has no desire to change their presentation, then the L1 might not be for them. I don't think that should reflect negatively on the performer or the system.
I do a solo show,Classic Country and Rock.I was having the same problem as you are at one point,when it finally dawned on me that I wasn't using the L1 as intended.I was playing guitar,singing,and backtracks through one L1 and 2 B1's.Realizing that the backtracks were in a sense a band requiring heavy bass support,I purchased a second L1B1 for just my tracks.It cleared things right up for those larger gigs.Using a single L1 for large gigs with backtracks at high volume, will definately compress and pulse.Just remember the L1 was designed for one per player,one instrument and one vocal.IMHO
I am just angry at the dealer who told me it was a brill piece of kit for my requirements and when i realised it wasnt he more or less told me "too bad."
I have struggled for over a year now with the L1 and I certainly havent got the money for a second.
Just very very dissapointed
Just to get my penny's worth in. I've always dealt with Bose directly. Outlets such as Guitar Center in the Chicagoland area haven't a clue about the L1. They know nothing about usage or setup. I've had many friends buy the L1 and compact after listening to me with mine. But I always explain the limitations when I demo the unit so they purchased with their eyes open. Maybe a training program for dealers that will be handling their products!
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