As I was leaving the Jam with Roger last Friday night I walked out with the Model II PS and the L1 speakers, T1, mic and stand, cords etc. in one trip. As I laid the items in the trunk of the car I thought, Wouldn't it be nice if this was the complete system?

Playing with Roger I realized that many users of the L1 who play in ensembles don't need the full range of the B1. I was quite happy to back off the bass and relinquish some of the fullness I usually expect when playing alone, in order to have a more balanced, pleasing tone, with separation of my guitar from Roger's.

Personally, as a solo, I use multiple B1's. With the Classic I experimented with playing without the B1 but found it less than satisfying, not bad, but just not enough.

With the Model II PS I began to dream a little.

What if there was a hump on the back side that encompased a couple of 4 or 5 inch low frequency drivers that would take the system down to 75 or 80hz, maybe 90hz would be enough difference to make it sound good to me.

I think there are some low frequency drivers in the 302 and 502 enclosures.

This wouldn't take the place of the B1's. If they (B1's) were plugged in the "built in" speakers would be disconnected.

This could be a great, very compact, side man rig, if you can balance the spectrum.

I can imagine that I would be out more often, playing with others, if the system offered this additional simplicity.

All it takes is a little Bose magic.

I know I'm not the first person to think of this, so if you have some pictures of the prototype would you share them?

Ken, do you remember breakfast on Sunday Morning while in Cuchara. They didn't have all I wanted in one meal, so I ordered two. It came on two plates. If I had been at Cracker Barrel they would have put it all on a platter.

I want you to be like Cracker Barrel. I want it all on a platter.

O..

I'm like you O, I want it all ... plus one more thing.

Good stuff!

Steve,

Great avatar! What is that from?

Tom

..Its not a BIG thing...but maybe the release clip on the USB connector on the T1 could be reversed..(flip it over)..it kinda hard to squeeze in there some times!!

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Originally posted by jayare:
..Its not a BIG thing...but maybe the release clip on the USB connector on the T1 could be reversed..(flip it over)..it kinda hard to squeeze in there some times!!

I think the same thing every time I have to unplug that connection. (RJ 45 Ethercon ToneMatch® Connection)

Thanks for putting the thought into words.

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Originally posted by jayare:
..Its not a BIG thing...but maybe the release clip on the USB connector on the T1 could be reversed..(flip it over)..it kinda hard to squeeze in there some times!!

I thought it was just me with fat fingers, but
it really is a pain.

I assume you actually mean the RJ45 cable though.

Ditto y'all...having it on the underside would make a much easier one-handed disconnection.

Two things:

1) If the RJ45 jack is mounted t'other way will it interfere with the Aux out?

2) Is the RJ45 mounted on a circuit board that has to be oriented the way it is? (I'm guessing not.)

I pulled up this old thread because of my post at the top of this page.

Last night I took the Compact and went back to sit in and jam with Roger.

The Compact is not exactly what I was thinking at the time of the above post, but it is close.

I did not take the T1. My guitar has the LR Baggs ibeam active with no onboard eq control.

There was an unexpected guest player with electric guitar, so that made three. Roger's vocal in the house PA with acoustic guitar in an amp, electric guitar in amp, and me, with acoustic guitar and vocal in the Compact.

As I approached from the parking lot I could hear Roger as the sound filtered out the open patio door. The closer I got, the louder the music seemed and I wondered to my self, will I have to play that loud just to get in the mix?

It only took a couple of minutes to get set up, and we began to play immeadiately.

The good;

Volume was not an issue, the Compact held it's own easily and with the great clarity we have come to know and love.

No feedback issues. My mic was about 5 feet in front of the Compact. EQ was set flat, volume about 11:00. I set the volume by turning it up till I could just hear the ring of feedback begin, then turned it back just slightly. It worked fine. I could control my dynamics by working the mic, and I was able to move away from the mic without any issues throughout the night.

There was a fourth singer / songwriter who stopped in. I vacated and he performed a few songs with my guitar and mic. As I moved around the room the sound was clear, and volume was good everywhere except the furthest extreme of the listening area, he was not on the mic as I was, so I feel confident that was not the case when I was singing.

The not so good;

Bose just can't put the controls up front. A minor inconvenience, but inconvenient just the same.

With no eq on my guitar I could not make any adjustment to get my guitar in a different sonic space than Roger's. As a guest it should be my place to change my tone, stay out of the way so to speak. With the Compact I will have to change guitars or carry outboard equipment when I perform with others.

No ToneMatch port. I know I've mentioned this before but let me talk about it one more time.

With a ToneMatch port use of the T1 is a snap, all of the best features of both pieces of equipment shine to their fullest.

Without a ToneMatch port, one is required to use the separate powere supply, if they use the T1. I use the T1 on the mic stand, the place it makes the most sense to take advantage of the many features. When the power supply is used it creates the need either for an extension cord or the stumbling block of a power supply, which could be redesigned with a longer cord on one end or the other. Sometimes what seems so obvious to me is either overlooked or not seen as important by the Folks-at-Bose. I know we all dislike wall (or in this case, floor) warts, so if you want to require the use of one do it like the rest of your products and make it better.

In the future I hope to see Bose show their pride, value and importance of the T1 by providing a special place for it to plug in.

I set the Compact up this morning with the T1. I liked it very much, so I will probably modify the power supply cord to get the transformer out of the way. (at the base of the mic stand)

In closing I really like the Compact. I think it will hang with about anything on the market in the small to mid size venues where many of us play mostly acoustic music. I have plans to play breaks for a band this coming week. I will use the Compact just to get a feel for it in a larger venue where there is no consequence if it isn't big enough.

Sooo... I still want that new PS for the Model II speakers. It would resemble the Compact except, to get the speaker that far forward in the stand would require some folding legs, .... I'm seeing a leg shaped something like a boomerang, you could even call it that, good name for a bass cabinet.

O..

I seem to remember someone using the RJ45 cord & then having the floor wart with an adapter at the end by the powerstand. Maybe this would help us all get rid of the extension cord & floor wart at the base of the mic stand. I'll look for the post.

Hi Tom,

That sounds like this discussion.

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Originally posted by Troisnoir:
Dear guys-at-Bose:

For setting up my stage setup, I've created a cable harness from my L1 area to my mic stand (approx. 23' cable). I would like to make the CAT5 cable powering my T1 (I have an L1M1) longer.

I KNOW, I KNOW...warranties voiding everywhere, flags going up! Big Grin

I understand modifying the power supply voids my warranty on it - no problem. Also, I am an electronics technician with over 30 years experience, including building cables and circuit boards for NASA and GTE (in another life, of course - I'm a GEETAR PLAYER now!).

What I'd like to do is take the Bose CAT5 cable I got with the T1, which I will never use, and install it on the power supply. But I need to know how the box was sealed.

- Is it glued, and unrepairable?
- Do you drill out the little feet to get at some screws?
- Is there an assembly screw under the sticker? (doesn't look like it)
- Or does the case pry apart at the seam?

Or when they go bad, do you just throw them away and send a new one? Or destroy the box and install the repaired PS in a new box?

I realize you are probably wary of answering this question (feel free to use an anonymous poster name for liability purposes... Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin

I'm sure I can figure this out, but I'd rather not mangle up the case if I don't have to.

Thanks in advance!


Tres <><

Original post and discussion

There was another post where the poster had some sort of off-the-shelf solution I thought.
I got sidetracked watching a movie on my night off. I'll look again now.

Wouldn't a simple male-to-male RJ45 adapter do it?

I should have read the thread first, but I was on my BlackBerry. The info is there. Hmmm...

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Originally posted by Oldghm:
No ToneMatch port. I know I've mentioned this before but let me talk about it one more time.

With a ToneMatch port use of the T1 is a snap, all of the best features of both pieces of equipment shine to their fullest.

Without a ToneMatch port...

...my T1 sits at home, and it's one less sale of an L1 Compact, as I'll continue using a high quality combo amp for those gigs where there simply isn't room for a traditional L1.

I really thought that a Compact with ToneMatch port would have increased T1 sales. I can't fathom how that feature didn't make the cut.

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I really thought that a Compact with ToneMatch port would have increased T1 sales. I can't fathom how that feature didn't make the cut.

Even though the T1 power supply is reasonably inexpensive and I already own one (so I can use my T1 with my desktop computer and my L1 MII doesn't need it), I would have paid an extra $100.00 to have it built into the Compact.
I do not play anymore, without my T1, it is now a major part of my sound and I can't even imagine having to look and reach behind to adjust the L1C controls.

As they say, "That being said", this must have been a tough decision to make given most engineers desire to include things, vs a desire for simplicity. Yes the port would be nice, but the percentage of customers, buying and using the L1C in it's initial configuration, will by all indications be quite large and the T1 can still be used by those of us already owning such a great mixer.

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Wouldn't a simple male-to-male RJ45 adapter do it?

Most square RJ45 adapters, won't fit into the round sleeve around the AC Adapter's RJ45 plug.

Very good points being brought up about the controls and Tonematch issue. Bose slipped a little here but I still am going to buy a Compact rather than wait until they possibly retrofit or redesign .

What are Warts? LOL!

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What are Warts?

Hi AJ,

Warts or "Wall Warts" as they are dissafectionally referred to are the AC power packs or transformers that stick out of the wall to power devices.
At least the Bose T1 AC adapter has a cord on both ends, so that it does not clutter up 2 outlets on a power strip.

I've got to stop posting at 4 am, I don't know why I was having such a hissy fit over the T1 port on the L1C. Heck, I have to plug in my Tablet computer anyway.

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Most square RJ45 adapters, won't fit into the round sleeve around the AC Adapter's RJ45 plug.

Joel,

The adapter from that other thread ST mentioned would work very well. Here's a pic so you can see what it looks like.