I have a Fishman rare earth humbucking pick-up in a Guild D-4 and i realy hate the sound im getting from it. It makes the guitar sound like a Fender Telecaster, its too electric sounding.
Does anyone own the same pickup and have some good T1 settings to make it sound more Acoustic than electric?? thx for any help.
I have it plugged into channel 2 on my T-1 would plugging into 4/5 be better for that pickup??

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Originally posted by John J:
I have a Fishman rare earth humbucking pick-up...

I tried the Rare Earth and the LR Baggs M1, with just about every preset on the L1, and with every amp and pre-amp I have. Took them both back.

Both PU's are what I'd call "augmentation sources". Turned way, way, way down, and pumped through some pre-amps, they will add some "body" sound - in conjunction with two top-flight condenser mics angled and placed properly, and a good $300 pre-amped undersaddle PU. Of course...lol.

Put that all together, and you still won't be happy.

What I mean to say is that the Rare Earth and all the L1 presets, alone, did not give me what I'm (and you are) still looking for.

If you play solo/duo, in relatively quiet venues, just mic up your guitar with a good mic. But if you're playing a CCR tune in a four-piece, nothing will beat an undersaddle.

There is no happy medium, as far as I'm concerned. A microphone is still the best way to amplify an acoustic instrument. An undersaddle is still the second-best way. Both have their trade-offs and sacrifices, but both serve best. Everything else is just more things to feedback, balance, curse, buy batteries for, and worry about not working.

In Shared Misery, (lol)
Dennis

Too bad the Taylor ES isn't compatible with other types of Guitars. I have never heard a better sounding Acoustic through a Pick Up than my 615CE through my L1.

I am amazed every time I play it.

Thx Dennis
i have a baggs I-mix in my martin and i love it.
im just gonna buy one for my guild and toss the fishman

I have a Guild D-15M, and Vintage Guild 12 String with the Fishman Rare Earth Pickups. Cannot get a good sound with L1/T1, but get great sound through SWR California Blonde Amp. Shows that an amp that is really engineered for pro musicians is the best bet.

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Originally posted by dennismp:

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Originally posted by John J:
I have a Fishman rare earth humbucking pick-up...

I tried the Rare Earth and the LR Baggs M1, with just about every preset on the L1, and with every amp and pre-amp I have. Took them both back.

Both PU's are what I'd call "augmentation sources". Turned way, way, way down, and pumped through some pre-amps, they will add some "body" sound - in conjunction with two top-flight condenser mics angled and placed properly, and a good $300 pre-amped undersaddle PU. Of course...lol.

Put that all together, and you still won't be happy.

What I mean to say is that the Rare Earth and all the L1 presets, alone, did not give me what I'm (and you are) still looking for.

If you play solo/duo, in relatively quiet venues, just mic up your guitar with a good mic. But if you're playing a CCR tune in a four-piece, nothing will beat an undersaddle.

There is no happy medium, as far as I'm concerned. A microphone is still the best way to amplify an acoustic instrument. An undersaddle is still the second-best way. Both have their trade-offs and sacrifices, but both serve best. Everything else is just more things to feedback, balance, curse, buy batteries for, and worry about not working.

In Shared Misery, (lol)
Dennis

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Shows that an amp that is really engineered for pro musicians is the best bet.

Hi Danny,

The SWR is a fine product.

I must say that the L1 family of products is designed by pro musicians for pro musicians.

Almost everybody on team plays out, and cares very deeply about the issues you are raising.

I firmly believe that we can get you to a point where you feel as so many others feel, that the L1 system is the best sound projection system you've used. I am pledged to make that happen.

Ken

All pickups have their pros & cons, but you can't get away from the physics of where that pickup is getting the sound from.

Magnetic pickups get the sound directly from the string, & so by nature do not get much body wood sound or air sound.

Under-saddle pickups get string sound as well but also the sound of the saddle & a little wood depending on how sensitive they are, but no air sound again.

Soundboard transducers get a lot of wood with little string sound & again no air.

Mics get a combination of everything & are the closest to what your ears hear, but obviously you can only get so much volume before you get feedback.

You have to keep these things in mind when you talk about pickups. You're not just talking about the sound of the pickup, but also how it responds to the finger or the pick on the string & how it interacts with your playing style. That's why some pickups are better for some players & some styles & not so much for other players & styles.

I have found that you have to learn to play the pickup as much as the guitar to really get good sound. There is no one right pickup. I have always chosen something that got me in the ballpark of what I needed & then refined it with technique & EQ.

Currently I can get good sound with either 1) an under-saddle pickup & an internal mic, 2) a magnetic with a soundboard transducer, or 3) an under-saddle pickup through a Mama Bear or a Fishman Aura. The L1® is the best overall sound I've gotten out of a guitar, but I used to have good results with other amps - it just depends on what you feed into them.

Tom

Don't leave out the Taylor ES system which is a combination of magnetic pickups built into the neck of the guitar and picking up string sounds, and transducers that were adapted from those designed from the stall sensors on the wings of F18 fighter jets.

These were specially positioned after laser analysis of how the top of the guitar vibrates for each body style of guitar that Taylor makes.

They were then blended in a preamp designed by Rupert Neve.

I have heard many pickup systems and none compared to the ES.

Hope this helps.

The Taylor ES Story

I have a fishman blend. Internal mic & magnetic.
I wired my system to send each pickup as seperate signal to my board. I dial in the sound of the magnetic humbucker in channel one. Dial in the the sound of the mic in two.

I have found that by seperating the signal at the guitar and sending as two seperate channels I have very good control over the total sound.

I can dial out the weaknesses in one, with out affecting the strength of the other.

I tend to go a little stronger on the mic (because it dosen't give me that "electric sound") and fill in nicely with the presence of the magnetic.

Sounds better than anything else I've tried and you name it....I've tried it.