Line 6 just released the HD 300, 400 and 500. Anybody try these with the Bose yet? Looks like it would make a nice compact set up, and lots of claims re improved sound/dynamics. Hard to tell over my laptop speakers. Seems like some good value there, especially with the 300 line.
I have the hd500 and play it through a bose compact. I love the sound and how well they work together. I have already played out a few times using the compact for my amp/pa with my band and love the sound. I switch between acoustic and electric and the compact works great for that. I also use the tone match system as well. There is a setting for pod on in but I like the flat guitar setting.
I would love to know if anyone has tried the Pod HD500 with the Model 2 and Tonematch engine. I currently use the Pod X3 Live and I use the Line6 Pod Preset on my T1... although everything sounds pretty good, there is a bit of digital sizzle, and am thinking the HD500 will bring me closer to that good old tube tone. Been hanging in the wings waiting to find a review on Youtube or here to get a few opinions on the pairing of the L1 and HD 500 before I run out and buy one.
Do you not have a store nearby that will let you plug up the HD into the Bose in the store (i.e. a store that sells both)?
For all their warts, the local GC in my town will accomodate such requests.
To their credit - they once allowed the bass player in our group to drag a couple of bass amps to the drum room and they played along with him while he demo'd a new amp. Good thing they did - because he would have picked the wrong one otherwise.
AKA John O'Neil
Lead Vocals/R. Guitar for nine 8 central
PRS Series EG2
Ovation Custom Balladeer 1612
Electra X960 Ultima
Blue enCore 300 Condenser Mic
Bought the POD HD 500 yesterday... didn't change a thing on the T1... updated teh firmware on the POD... installed the Line 6 Edit program that allows you to craft your own tones via USB on a PC or Mac... and I have to say... they absolutely nailed it on this one. I now have 16 amazing amp models, and a garage full of effects all in this little board. It's like a garden full of tubes.. and it just sounds so sweet through the L1... I can't wait for rehearsal this week to work it into the ensemble. Got $200 trade in on my Pod X3 Live... $299 out of pocket not too shabby for what I got now. This thing is worth every penny. I'll try to get a few recordings done next week... I did a quick test recording from the T1 usb rather than from the Line 6 usb... and it's perfect. I am in awe.
I have to agree, the HD500 through the L1 II is amazing! It's like playing through a stack, but because of the wide and even dispersion of the L1, you don't need deafening levels. When I first plugged in I couldn't stop playing. I absolutely love this combination. Unfortunately, I'm the only guy in either band with an L1 so we are running only vocals. One day I'm hoping to just run MY guitar and MY vocals through MY L1, just like Bose intended me to do! Until then I just get to enjoy it in the comfort of my own home.
if it's YOUR L1.. why not simply plug your POD into it, and tell them it's your guitar rig and run it along with the vocals... (I am assuming you have a T1. Usually the guy who owns the sound system gets some latitude with how it gets used... or am I wrong? I can't immagine the band members would object to improving their sound.
Pardon the sloppy playing.... but I've been dialing in some tone on the POD HD500 and running it thru the L1 M2 with 2 B1's and T1... this is what I came up with trying to get an Edge Tone for Streets with no Name. Recorded with a Flip video camera... so the audio is a little thin... if you can't see it on facebook... you may have to add me a friend.. but that's ok with me. I will record some tube amp models next week to give a better idea about how the modeling sounds thru the L1. I am very pleased with this unit so far.
Streets Have No Name
Not to get too far off topic (and I promise to get back on track).
I agree with you here. I think that he who brings the sound system should have some greater sway over how it is used. When I was in this position, (and not wanting to share), I ended up buying a second L1®. This turned out to be such a dramatic improvement all round that eventually one of the other guys in the band bought that second L1® so that he could use it in our band and in his independent projects. The pretty much describes how it turns out that all the people with whom I play regularly have their own L1®s. It took a little push and pull, but because I was reluctant to share (compromise), eventually, I didnt' have to.
Wow, it's tough to hear what must be some really nice tones in there. I'm getting the vibe. I wonder if the flip camera is doing you justice here.
Your "In this video" section lists several people. Are they on the backing track?
Also - for the people who are not on facebook, could you post a link to the video on flipshare?
I enjoyed watching you play. It took me back to the days when I had a full dressed white Les Paul.
A couple of questions: Curious.
What is the black vertical thing that I can see through the door?
How big is the room you are in, in the video?
Just got the HD500 and L1 Model II with the T1 and double B1's. So far it's been O.K. Not stellar. Still dialing things in. The good news is that things are getting better. I was originally going through the analog input in the powerstand. There was hardly any mid's and it was very tinny. After a while my ears hurt. It might because the sound is being dispersed so evenly by the Bose, and you are getting all the highs right in your face as opposed to what you get with a guitar amp. I don't know anyone who points an amp straight at themselves at point blank range, but I suspect that is what the Bose is doing. I did start running things through the T1 and got better results, though not great.
I recently did a gig with the L1 and the HD500. Ran keyboards (Fantom G6), the HD500, and three sets of vocals through it. The verdict; the vocals were awesome. Our singer ran a Helicon VoiceLive. Vocals kicked *** even though we had a whole lot of buzz due to the fact that she had accidentally enabled the ground lift. The vocals would have been incredible otherwise. Kudos to the L1 for the vocals. Our singer is in love with the L1.
The keyboards sounded O.K. Not a lot of mids. Some of the synth patches sounded like someone scooped the EQ drastically. The guitar didn't fair much better. The dirty Twin patch that I created felt horrible. Well, at least that's how it sounded and felt on stage.
The funny thing is that we recorded the gig and things actually sounded pretty good. I was very surprised. We also got many compliments from people, despite our less than optimal set up. In the end the Bose did deliver, but I am feeling the performances that well because of the lack of tone, especially from the HD500.
So I have been trying to dial things in. I have to admit that I didn't really go into the first gig with the L1 with a refined set up. In fact I later found out by watching our video of the performance that a couple of the channels were clipping. :-)
I am running my HD500 and my G6 in separate channels now. I had the G6 running through the Aux in of the HD500 at the gig to take advantage of the looper (yes, I play guitar and keys). I have assigned the keys with a T1 preset for keys on its own channel. I am running the HD500 through the Miked AMP w/ SM57 on its own channel. The tone has improved a lot on the HD500 and the G6. I have also used the parametric EQ to cut out some of the highs on the HD500. -1.5 db at 5000k 1.2 octaves. It's helped a bit but the B and high E strings still hurt, especially on the dirty patch that I use for the EVH "Beat It' solo. I recently changed the mic simulator on this HD500 patch from the direct SM57 to one of the condenser mics. It's helped to improve the tone of the dirty patches a good deal. I also noticed that if you set up your patches on the HD500 at low volumes, they sound much brighter when you turn up the L1. The risk of losing your hearing you will want to set your patches at a higher volume. Some of the "muddier" patches that I created at low volumes sound much better with the L1 pumped up.
To be honest, I haven't had a lot of time to tweak the set up. I feel there is potential with the L1/HD500 combo. I have another gig coming up and plan on having a much better setup of the HD500 and L1. I'm still up for suggestions on getting nice "warm" guitar tones (both distorted and clean) with the HD500 through the L1. I'll share my experiences on this blog and tell you how the L1 performs at our next gig.
BTW, here is a really quick promo video that we created for a guy that wanted to hire use for New Years. Shows the L1 in action in a very boomy room. 10,000 sqft, 6 story ceiling with glass windows and marble floors. Not the ideal place to play. Still, you get the sense of how the L1 and HD500 do. The vocals sound great IMHO. You do get to hear the clean and the dirty tones from the HD500 that I was not happy with. I used a Jimmy Vaughn Strat with the David Gilmore EMG SA set. You are hearing active single coil. At the next gig I'll be using my Carvin DC150 (Strat style) with Fralin pickups in a SSH configuration. I'm hoping the humbucker will warm the dirty tones up a bit.
Hope this helps and hopefully we can all find our dream setup in the HD500/L1 combo. I do wish that Bose would come out with a T1 preset for the HD series that tones down the high-ends and focuses on delivering warm clean and dirty electic guitar tones. Maybe you guys can adjust the crossover on the B1's to handle a bit more of the mid range.
BTW, I think the HD500 is better than the X3 as far as tones go. Nothing beats going straight through a real tube amp. But nothing can beat the convenience/versatility of the L1/HD500 combo and being able to hear yourself and the others in your band. I'm praying this is going to work out!
The room I am playing in is about 25 feet x 15 ft with 19 foot high ceilings... ridiculous amounts of natural reverb in the room. I need to add some sound absorbing stuff around the room.. will probably hang some tapestry from the walls, and add a rug. Come by for a visit some time for one of my jam sessions.
Regarding the HD500... the HD500 EDIT software seems to be the place to really craft the tonal qualities of the amp models and effects. Trying to dial in the tone on the L1 simply doesn't make sense to me.. as you change patches on the HD500, adjustments and tweaks on the L1 may contradict the tone you are looking for out of the HD500. Clean chorus tones are miles away from Metal crunch tones... where you may want some brightness out of those cleans.. but maybe not out of the crunch tones. There are infinite possibilities on the HD500 for setting eq on the patches... and once they are saved, you're done. I have been using the same Line 6 pod preset as when I had my PODX3 Live... and just leaving it alone. I am doing my tonal experimentation on the HD500.
I worked on a patch on the HD500 for a Fender Twin Reverb. To try to get that vintage tube sound... The pre-loaded patches for the Fender Twin to me sound a little thin and tinny... and if you look at the setup that is pre-programmed, they tend to throw in a Tube Screamer emulator into the effects loop that just simply adds way too much distortion and sounds a bit harsh. The patch I created disables the "Screamer" effect (but I assigned it to one of the switches instead to call it up for solos without changing the amp tone) I put in an EQ in the POST section of the patch to really dial in and reduce some of that tinny tone. I added in the reverb into the patch (Spring Reverb) and spent a lot of time dialing in the amount of overdrive on the amp model listening carefully at varying volumes while tweaking both the overdrive and EQ in the patch to get sort of that spongy tube feel. I'll try to record something next week for you to hear. It seems like you're going more for a bit of overdrive rather than a completely dirty distortion sound. This patch might work for you. I think there is a way to share patches, I just haven't investigated that yet. If I figure that out, I will let you know, and send you what I have worked on. If you registered your gear with line 6 and have jumped into the Line 6 Edit software that comes with the unit, there is a whole message board where users share patches. As you click on the custome tones, they temporarily load into the HD 500... if you like what you hear, you can just save it. Best of Luck... By the way... band sounds good.... you got yourself a terrific singer there.
Finally getting around to recording a bit more... I decided to record the audio direct from the T1 and captured the video from webcam. Pretty easy with the USB interface.. just disable the camera audio, and choose the bose sound driver as the audio input. I have to figure out how to adust the input levels.. I think it has to be done on the T1.. I do notice that when the master vol is turned up, the recording input increases. The master is around 10 oclock in this recording, but it is a bit low I think. Anyhow.. this is what I have going on here.. Vocals are thru Shure Beta87a to Digitech Vocalist live 4 to T1 ch1. Guitar is Line6 Variax 700 solid body, with an acoustic 12 string model selected.. into Line 6 POD HD500. I created a patch that excludes amp modeling, but adds in some EQ and Reverb to try to get an good acoustic tone. I think it turned out pretty good considering it's a solid body electric. I see so much potential with this hardware setup. No acoustic guitar feedback is a huge plus with the Variax, and pairing it up with the POD HD500, I can get total control over the guitar right thru the POD by setting up patches that automatically set up amp modeling and effects, plus pair it up with the type of guitar I want on it, and also tie in alternate tunings for the guitar right inside the patch. Simply select the patch I want for any song in the setlist, and everything is ready to go... no more fumbling around the stage, or re-tuning for alternates. And the way the L1 pushes the sound out is outstanding. I am absolutely loving this.
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Pod HD 500 with Variax Guitar and Vocals through Shure Beta 87A Recorded thru T1
Interesting guitar tone through the POD HD 500. No post editing on the audio... simply straight from the T1. The Variax was set to emulate a Stratocaster. There were 2 delays used here, as well as a shimmer effect, a touch of reverb, tiny bit of chorus. Got a nice chime to the tone.
Clicked on the Like button. Nice.
AKA John O'Neil
Lead Vocals/R. Guitar for nine 8 central
PRS Series EG2
Ovation Custom Balladeer 1612
Electra X960 Ultima
Blue enCore 300 Condenser Mic
I have recently decided to get rid of my Boogie Mark V and get a second L1. I love the sound of my HD500 through the L1. I actually find it much easier to dial up great tones through the L1 than through the Boogie. Spent most of this weekend doing just that, once I start dialing up tones I can't seem to stop, it just sounds so huge.
Recently did some experimenting with crafting tone on the POD HD500 and this is what I came up with. The Guitar is a Line 6 Variax 700, using a strat emulation, and the HD500 is using some shimmer effects and delay. Interesting sound.
Purple Rain on L1M2 2 B1, T1
Hi Davey, definitely a cool tone, lots of texture and nice to sing over. I just have to re-iterate how much I love the HD500 into the Bose L1. I played an outdoor gig recently, I had my vocals my guitar (through the HD500) and the other guitar players vocal through one L1 on my side of the stage, another L1 with two other vocals and acoustic guitar on the other side of the stage. We used the L1's as stage monitors and ran a single line to the main PA. We mixed ourselves from the stage. To get to the main point, never in my life have I been so confident that my out front sound was MY tone. Throwing a mic in front of an amp never seems to give you what you expect. When standing up front at the mic you can kind of get a whiff of the house sound, even as diluted as it is from that position, I could tell it was just what I wanted.
A few days ago prior to my last rehearsal with my main band, I was on the phone with the bass player, I was talking about how I love this new set up and he says "I didn't think it sounded as good as your amp". I told him it thought he was crazy, that I have never been so happy with my tone. Anyway, we get to rehearsal two days ago and maybe half hour in he says "OK, I take it back, your guitar sound is incredible, and it just seems to be everywhere."
As an aside, not guitar related, we were at an equipped rehearsal space I always set up my L1 anyway. Bass paltry and drummer have their vocal mics into the provided PA, dicking around for half the rehearsal with sound and levels. I'm telling them, "just plug in here." Finally they do and boom, everything sounds great.
I sure do love my Bose gear.
I was playing last weekend outdoors, sort of an informal jam session at a Barbecue, a Bass player was in attendance, and he didn't bring his amp... thinking that there would be at least a couple other bass players that would be bringing an amp. HA HA HA no bass amp to be had LOL. So anyways, I had my L1 and was all set up with a couple of mics for the barrage of fantastic singers, there were a couple other guitarist with their amps, and me with my POD HD500. I thought how do I make this work? So I dialed in a Fender Tweed Bassman patch on the POD, and ran my Variax Guitar through the Variax port, and plugged in his Fender Jazz Bass thru the Guitar port. I sacrificed some of my more creative patches throughout the day to make sure the Bass sounded good, and believe me it sounded amazing. The bass player is highly accomplished, with all sorts of articulate playing, but he's an old school bass amp guy. He was absolutely blown away and so was I. So yes.. the flexibility of "Just plug in here" is such an added benefit to the L!, and there are even more options when coupled with the HD500. I have to see if anyone recorded any of what we played at the BBQ
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