Yesterday, I was at Guitar Center with the intention of buying the L1 Compact for doing small to medium sized classical guitar gigs (weddings and such...) I tested it out and loved the sound but ended up purchasing a Yamaha DXR12 because I could not turn the L1 Compact up very loud without getting feedback.
Now I am starting to doubt my purchase because I wish my DXR12 sounded like the L1 weighed as much as the L1 and has the sound dispersion of the L1. I am seriously considering exchanging them but am hesitating because I am afraid I won't be able to turn the L1 up without feedback.
I use a Shure Beta 57A Microphone on my guitar. I was blown away to read that some classical guitar players can actually put the L1 BEHIND them while they perform without getting feedback! What am I doing wrong?
If I believe that I can entertain 100 people with the L1, my guitar and microphone without getting feedback I will return my DXR12 for the L1 compact. Is this possible and if so how?
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I'm pretty sure that Guitar Center has a 30 day return policy on the Bose equipment.
Let me encourage you to try the Compact get the Compact and try it out in various settings - including with it behind you, or off to the side and slightly behind you. If you can get your body between the microphone and the Compact, this will probably make a noticeable difference.
It takes a little while to get used to working with the Compact simply because the dispersion is SO wide.
Are you singing as well?
It is possible that I will use it for singing as well. I would probably use a second mic for vocals. How does this affect the feedback situation?
Thanks for your advice. I will try putting my body between the mic and the L1. Anything else I can try?
I am aware of the 30 day return policy at Guitar Center but I am trying to avoid the 15% "restocking" fee if I can help it.
I didn't know about the 15% restocking fee - are you sure it applies to the Bose gear? (worth checking). I'd be really interested to know.
As for the second microphone... well with any system (not just the Bose equipment), as you add microphones you reduce the gain before feedback.
One thing that I found with the Compact is that I don't have to run as loud as I used to with other systems. I think this is because the dispersion is so wide that I'm not pouring sound into the space hoping that people who are not getting the direct sound, will hear something from the sound bouncing around. In an audience of say 100 with the Compact, unless someone is behind it, they are probably going to hear the direct sound.
I think that you may find that your test setting in Guitar Center was not particularly representative of the environments where you perform. This is why I'm thinking that you would be far more likely to have success with it in real world situations.
The other thing you will probably want to try is connecting the guitar microphone to Compact Channel 2 with the ToneMatch switch ON. You will need a lo-to-hi impedance matching transformer to do this but they are inexpensive.
Here's one I found on the Guitar Center website.
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Thanks, ST. You have been really helpful.
What does the Tone-Match Switch and the low-to-hi impedance matching transformer do? Do they compromise the sound quality at all?
No compromises to the sound here.
Compact Channel 2 with the ToneMatch switch turned on is optimized for (steel-string) acoustic guitar but it works nicely with my Classical Guitars too.
You can read about the ToneMatch® technology here: ToneMatch®
There is also ToneMatch® processing on Channel 1, specifically for vocal microphones.
The low-to-hi impedance matching transformer is transparent to the sound. It simply provides an appropriate match of the output of your microphone (low impedance) to the ¼ inch jack input of Compact Channel 2 (hi impedance). If you get an adapter that does not have the built-in transformer, the signal from the microphone is greatly reduced.
Does that help?
I'm not sure I understand. Will the transformer and the Tone Match reduce feedback?
The transformer is important for getting a good signal from the microphone to Compact Channel 2, but that by itself won't have any impact on feedback. If you want to connect the microphone to Compact Channel 2 (and I think you will prefer it), then you need the transformer, but it won't change the sound, it just makes the connection work.
The ToneMatch® Preset on Channel 2 will probably help with low frequency feedback (body howl). It does on my guitars. It [î]may¸[/i] have an effect on high end feedback, but I haven't noticed that as much.
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Yes. Thank you so much, ST. I am going to try your advice.
ST's already covered the bases here - but let me tell ya, if you were impressed with the sound of the L1 Compact @ GC, then you'll love it in a real world environment - and you'll work out the feedback issues.
If you go back to GC to try it again, try positioning yourself as you would when performing and have it so the Compact is a little behind and to the left/right of you. Bring your guitar, mic it up like you would normally do (make 'em break out a impedance transformer so you can connect the SM57 to the 1/4" jack) - really set it up as you would play to get the full effect, so to speak.
Hope this helps.
I believe the 15% restocking fee only applies if what you purchased was already "open box" and doesn't apply if it was brand new "in a box"
Thanks for weighing in on this, Tom. It seems like the whole situation is never more than 15 seconds from my next thought. LOL!
Anyway, I plan on doing as you advise. If it is true that there is no restocking fee then this whole thing is a no-brainer but I thought that "open box" means that the box has been opened when I return it - not when it is bought.
Thanks again for your help, Tom.
Enjoy your new (coming soon!) Compact!
Hey, guys. I just wanted to let you know that I took your advice - I returned the Yamaha for an L1 Compact with a transducer and I am loving it. I can turn it up about 2/3 of the way before feedback kicks in and that is in my tiny living room so I think I will get even more volume in a bigger space.
Thanks for all your help.
Congratulations on getting your new Compact.
You know where to find us if you have questions.
Here is some more information for you.
Please let us know how your first gig goes.
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