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I've done some experimenting with this issue. So far for me, Craig's advice of micing the amp works the best. I've tried a Line 6 Live pedal board and was very disappointed with the results, especially with the high-distortion presets and expression pedal. I've since gone with micing a Bogner Shiva 60W tube amp with a Sennheisier e609 and the results are spectacular, albeit I've only experimented with this setup alone in a small room, and not with a full band nor live.
However, contrary to Craig's advice, I think what makes this setup work is that I hear the sound equally coming from both the amp and the L1, which seems to give it a rich, full, and multi-dimesional sound. I run the amp with high gain and no effects (dry), mice it to the Bose, and add compression, reverb, and delay with the T1 Tonematch (wet). But if I turned the master volume down on the amp and up on the Bose, so that the Bose overwhelms the amp, it loses much of its depth. This is contrary to Craig's advice. Mixing the guitar amp with the Bose works well alone in a small room, but I'm skeptical if this would produce the same results with a full band in larger venue.
I've been thinking about getting a very low-powered (1-3 watts) boutique tube amp in order to keep the guitar amp volume to a minimum, but now having thoughts. Please comment on guitar amp volume and give any suggestions on adding effects or a wet/dry setup for a miced amp/Bose rig.
Just curious - did you see the replies I posted to you back in 2008?
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Your perspective is valid. If this works for you then go for it. I know in many situations a loud guitar amp can be a problem because it can interfere with the sound of the L1. And in many cases I try to face the amp awar from the audience and band members. However, I would encourage you to keep experimenting and if you land on something that works for you and your band then keep doing it.
Yes I did see the replies you posted, but the amp that was recommended (Lexicon Signature 284) have been discontinued and are very hard to find. Are there any other amps like the Signature 284?
Has anyone had any experience with putting a mic in front of a Fender Champ 5Watt or Fender Champion 5 Watt? These amps have very small speakers but through the L1 I'm curious as to whether you could drop your big Twin Reverb for one of these and still sound great about 50 pounds lighter..
Here is a link to a search for Tony + amp which returns several posts from Tony Sarno (aka Tony-at-Bose). He often mic'd a small amp.
I have an old Fender Princeton (mid 50's) that sounds absolutely killer when mic'd and run through an L1®. I do it at home for fun, but haven't done that at a gig in years because I have other options.
I've actually seen Tony perform live with a mic'd amp. It sounded great.
I've also seen Chuck-at-Bose performing with (I think it was) a Fender Blues Junior, mic'd and run into an L1®. Same thing. Great results.
Here is a link to a relatively recent exploration of this idea.
Small valve amp to mic up
and the link to several older but still related discussions.
search for Tony + amp
I'm sorry - I don't have any specific recommendations. If I was starting today, I might be looking at the some of the new tiny combo amps that have a line out that is tapped after the output stage.
I'm trying to find some of the more interesting discussions about this.
I'll post links if I can find them.
I found a Lexicon Signature 248 from a dude on Craigslist. It should arrive in just a few days. I'll let you know how it sounds. I've been checking out reviews on the Lexicon which usually gets a lot of rave, but some have expressed concerns that it loses a lot of tone with the direct outs for recording or running them to a P/A. Which Lexicon outputs do you think would be better to input into the Tonematch, the XLR direct out with +4 db pad, or the 1/4" TRS line-out with a -10db pad.
Just have a minute - but if you run to the T1® using ¼ inch jack inputs (I'd use Channel 4/5) then you should not need pads.
Please let me know how it sounds to you.
I got a Lexicon Signature 248, and it sounds awesome. Being that it's a stereo amp, the possibilities are numerous. I still haven't figured out which is the best way to use it. I haven't yet tried ST's suggestion, (i.e. the stereo Lexicon outputs into the 4/5 channel, but that's probably the best way to do it if you are using one PAS. I've been using two PAS's and running each output into a separate PAS. Wow, true stereo! I run one PAS dry and the other wet, using the Tonematch's effects, because this seems to create more spatial diversity. I also hooked up a stereo Rickenbacker guitar with one side going into the Lexicon then into the two PAS's, as mentioned above, and the other side into a third PAS using the Tonematch's Rickenbacker preset. Then I got really crazy and took the line out from the 3rd PAS and ran into a 4th PAS. As I said, the possibilities are mind-boggling. ST is right, you have to the 1/4" uncompensated -10db line out, because the XLR's are way too hot. Also, I like the sound I get from the "General Direct" preset on the Tonematch. For a more simple setup, I'd suggest running the Lexicon's two stereo outputs into the 4/5 channel for your overdriven sound, then use an A/B foot switch to switch the guitar to different Tonematch channel set to one of the guitar presets for a nice clean sound.
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