The reason for the question is I am helping out a friend with his new L1 M2 T1 and 2B1. His style of playing calls for a fair amount of manipulating of the Volume and Tone Knobs on his Gibson E339 in order to craft sounds applicable to his performance. His preferred amp that responds most favorably is a Fender Princeton Reverb... which tends to react pretty dynically to variations in Guitar Volume and Tone Settings. This is a dynamic that is pretty much lost when plugging in direct to the T1. He has tried a few different things between the Guitar and T1, but none have delivered the result he is looking for. His desired tone can best be described as CLEAN.. with a punchy full bottom, strong in the mid lows, and easing into smooth, not overly bright or brittle highs. His musical style varies from Jazz and Motown, to soul, funk and blues. The desire here is to find that modeler that gets his tone, and allows for a lot of response for manipulation of tone through the guitar pots.
So what modeler do you have, how do you use it, and what preset do you use on the T1.
Any ideas would be great as we spend some time dialing him in over the weekend. Thanks!!!
Interesting question. I don't know if he will find a modeler that will that do it for him. I used a Messa V-Twin pedal for years even before the Bose with no amp. I now use a Vox Tone Lab. They both have a preamp tube which to my ears do something the other pedals don't. The key words here are "My ears".
Why does he want a modeler? If he is happy with the amp, which is a small one, why not stick with that?
As far as settings go I use the generic amp modeler on the T1. I can't remember the name of it. I will say that a little compression on the T1 helps.
I don't know if he will get the dynamics he is asking for without that relationship between an amp and a speaker.
He doesn't have that amp... in the search for tone, and response, I asked him what would be the Ideal amp that he would play through to achieve his sonic goals. Trying to accomplish this without having to lug another piece of gear.
I have used several devices over the past decade. I started with a Digitech RP 100 and then used a Korg Pandora PX-3. I tried a POD 2.0, a POD XT Live and a Zoom G1 and G2. My current setup uses a Variax into a FloorPOD Plus and it sounds really good. I would suggest the 64 Deluxe model or the 65 Twin on those older POD's to get that clean Fender tone he's craving.
St... I have been working on a patch for him on the HD500.. but he is reluctant partly because of the size of the unit, and has this fear of digital I think. But I spent some time tonight working with him dialing in that Morley JD10 analog stomp box. I think we got it nailed... actually used the line 6 preset.. sounded the best. Gain Staged everything at max playing volume, allowed for the tweaks on the guitar pots. Sounded great to me. He's getting more comfortable on the L1 I think... dug into the T1 in the middle of the set... set up some tremolo and went into a 20 minute surf rock improv that brought the house down. I think we got this thing now, at least on the ES339. Next we will dial in his 68 Tele, and then his archtop, and then the Martin Acoustic. Setting up a Scene for each of his rigs.
He sounds much like me. I've tried many different things with the Bose L1 with 2 subs. For quite some time I was mic'ing a Fender Blues Junior with a SM57. Now and for about the past 2 years I've been using the Tech 21 Blonde analog modeling pedal with the SM57 guitar preset on the Bose. It sounds great. By the way, the Tech 21 Blonde is the last item in the signal chain before the Bose. Before it, I have EHX Holy Grail Reverb (always on) and various other effects (EHX Memory Man, Choralflange, OCD, Plimsoul, Carbon Copy, Wah pedal etc.). There is absolutely no need for an amp as I feel it sounds as good or better than mic'ing the amp did. It has the nice clean tube feel like the amp does. It works real well with all of the other effects and NOT having the amp makes blending/mixing with backing tracks much easier. Tech 21 makes several others which I'd love to try, but this works great for me . . . . start with the Fender clean tone you love and add effects accordingly to taste. Very professional sounding and easy to carry.
I've said it on other threads, I absolutely love the HD500 with the Bose L1. For some reason though I like it better with just one B1. Not sure why, it's not supposed to really change the tone much adding another B1, bUt I've set up 2 just cuz and found the bottom end taking over a bit...could be floor reaction not sure but 1 is the right sound for me... Also I've found it easier to dial in tones using the the tone match setting in the utilities section I think? Which is an 80hz bypass. Clearly the theme that is becoming apparent is that I don't like my tone too boomy... I like it big and thick but controlled. I was curious about the compact so I rented one last weekend just to try with the HD500 and my sons alesis dm10 drum kit...I have to say I was quite impressed. I own 2 L1 model 2 systems so I can now fathom 24 small speakers in an array and what it's capable of... What 6 can still do baffles me. What a great companion for the HD500. Plenty of volume for gigging and the fact that you can use it in compact mode for home rehearsals and low ceiling gigs is great. I know Line 6 has their own guitar amps but the Bose and the HD500 is a great match especially if you want to throw acoustic sounds into the mix.