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So my first gig with my new LI Model II, Tonematch, and bass speaker is this week. I rehearsed a bit with the other guitarist (we're a duo with 2 guitars and a mandolin) and the new Bose system.
The guitarist almost didn't go for it, though I don't get why. Pretty finicky guy for sound. Anyway, we were able to get it to sound good in my basement. It's very strange because we're trying to set levels, but we're not sure if what we're hearing is us or the Bose, so we can't exactly tell how loud to dial it in. We THINK we got everything pretty close. The one thing I worry about is volume. We're playing at a fairly large restaurant this week and I had the Bose up to about 3 O'Clock. The volumes on the individual channels were about 1 o'clock and the trims were still in the green. I would think that at 75% volume, the Bose would take our head off. It really wasn't that loud. I'm thinking it needs to be louder. Is it just a matter of upping the individual channels or is there something I'm missing? It was tough to get a warm vocal sound too. I'm using Shures and it was necessary to add a lot of low end. one more thing, when I try to record through the T1, my recording software (cakewalk) kept dropping out. Any idea why that'd be? is it better to just use Audacity? Hope the gig goes well, but I'm a bit worried. Thanks. |
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I run my T1 Masters about 2pm, channels vary, but around noon to 1pm. Yours look like you might need to get the *Trim* controls up a bit...flashing yellow, not just green. Then reduce the volume faders to compensate.
Yes, the L1 is deceiving at first, it's not apparently loud, but it's clean and clear and project further than typical speakers. Try not to overreact and turn it up. Wait for the audience to complain about a lack of volume first...I'm betting they won't. More likely they will praise your clean sound and sensible volume level. I don't know where you two are sitting, but You might also each position yourselves in a direct line of the Left/right articulated speakers. I hope the gig goes well! Pete |
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Thanks Pete-
Here's the weird thing- I can't seem to tell the diff between the green and yellow. I DID adjust the trim to red, then backed it off. The volumes on the inputs (I rechecked) are actually at about 10 o'Clock. I will bring them up to about 2 O'Clock and adjust the main volume. As for where we're sitting, we're using 1 L1 M2 system for this gig and we'd put it behind us and between us (we sit on stools). I'm very psyched to try it, but I'm also super nervous about it as I've never run my own sound. I've run my own monitors, no problem, but not the whole thing. I tell ya, I'm so tired of sound guys... I have another full band (the Bose is for a duo project) and I've recorded the band's performances. The soundguys (hired guns) don't seem to pay attention to anything. Solos are under volume, vocal mix is all over the place. I cannot WAIT to be in control of what the audience is hearing and I'm very much hoping this is a positive experience. |
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Hi Brywool –
As if you don’t have enough things to think about already, (going out with new gear for your gig!) I was thinking about just having your bases covered and remembering a few things, prior to the gig. Here's my suggestions. 1. Is your T1 ToneMatch® firmware version up-to-date? Firmware updates available here. 2. Is your L1® Model II powerstand firmware version up-to-date? Firmware updates available here. 3. Have you saved any scenes in your T1 ToneMatch® for different configurations? If so, have you practiced changing scenes in the T1 ToneMatch®? It’s easy after you have done it a few times, but when you are on-stage and in front of people, it’s easy to forget. (I know, I’ve been there.) 4. Are you using/practicing good microphone techniques? 5. Try to keep yourself between your microphone and the L1® System, if you have the L1® system set up behind you. (This should help with feedback issues, if you have any.) 6. Try to put as much distance between your microphones and the L1® System, as your stage allows. 7. Have FUN! |
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John, I'm with you all the way on *mic technique*, it's the best cure.
If you can run monitors you can run the L1. It's the same thing...don't worry about the audience, they will be just fine. Just make sure you sound full and good to yourself. Personally, I don't worry about audience at all, when it sounds good to me, I'm happy, and I play well. That translates to the audience.
Not just that, but they change *your sound*. My trio, The Cubs, played for years and really got used to our sound, quiet yet full. Then we played a state fair gig, lined out from our L1s into a big PA. We sounded *good*, but after seeing/hearing the videos of it two years later, I realized we sounded very little like *ourselves*. They had this huge sound, slammin' snare, echoing vocals, all the big arena stuff. But it just wasn't us, wasn't who we were, the soundman didn't know us, hadn't seen us before with our gear. Fortunately, our sound on the stage was just what we were used to. Had I not seen video of it, I'd never known. But it was all good...maybe the audience wanted more of a slammin' band, they sure got it. Good luck on your gig, I'm sure you'll be fine. Relax and have fun, get lost in that beautiful sound on stage, and don't worry about the audience. |
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I know I went on for a long time on that last post, but here's one more thing.
Make a conscious effort to play softly, don't worry about covering the entire room. Get a rich sound on stage, but don't feel you must cranking it up to reach the back of the room. It's a restaurant, most folks are eating and talking, most won't mind if you are not loud. If they really want to hear you louder, they will move closer, or stop talking and just listen. In our trio we often start out really quietly...just for fun, and are always surprised at how good it sounds. During the evening, after a few more raucous songs, we will be sure to come way back down again. This way you don't wind up blasting at the end of the night like ALL the other bands do. |
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I hope to, but I'm a worrier! One thing I do need is a cable for my iPod so I can play break tunes. I'd like to just plug it into the power stand. I just need a mono 1/8 to 1/4 cable, right? (not running 'tracks', it's just for break music.) Thanks for looking out for me John. I'll definitely post how it goes. I'm debating on grabbing another b1 before Friday... |
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Thanks. Some very cool people here. I hope that I just love this thing. It cost a lotta dough and I've not spent this much on ONE musical purchase before. Kinda freaky!
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Hi Bryan,
You want a 1/8 stereo to 1/4 mono. If you go 1/8 mono to ... anything - you will lose one side of the stereo signal from the iPod. Try something like this. Hosa 1/8 in. Stereo to 1/4 in. Mono Cable  --== click the picture to see it in context ==-- Definitely do NOT get this one. This could a problem. ref: Can a stereo signal be used with the analog input (Model II) Hosa 1/8 in. Stereo to 1/4 in. Stereo Cable  --== click the picture to see it in context ==-- |
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Hi Bryan,
I read your concerns about volume levels in your other post If you can pick up that other B1, then do. You can disconnect it part way through the night and get an instant comparison and know whether or not to keep it. |
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Bryan,
For an upscale Bistro the size of a small Denny's (in my neighourhood that could be 2500 square feet), then I expect that Cylindrical Radiator® will serve you well. The B1: well you might need a second one. If this was a noisy restaurant or pub, I would say definitely get (and expect to keep) a second B1.
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Hi, Bryan! In the "Ask Bose" forum you asked about using a mono-to-mono cable for the iPod to L1 Model 2. I want to reinforce ST's comment above:
The iPod provides a stereo (2-channel) signal. By using a mono 1/8" connection, only one channel will get to the Bose. If you are in a pinch and don't have time to order the right single cable (many retail stores don't stock that 1/8" stereo to 1/4" mono) it is possible to jury-rig a 1/8" stereo to two RCA-type connections (which is widely stocked) with a few adapters and a "Y" to get to a mono 1/4" ... but it is best to order a single "correct" cable ahead of time. One of the 'tricks' for using an iPod in this way is to never run the iPod volume at it's maximum output -- it'll sound better at about 3/4 max or less ... adjust the Trim on the Model 2 base to get the loudest you want with the iPod at 3/4 of max. Also, the Trim on the Model 2 does not affect the volume of a T1 connected through the ToneMatch port. |
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Hey Brywool ~ If you can swing it money wise, I'd pick up that second B1 before your gig since you are concerned about having enough volume. It will help with headroom on your L1® Model II, since there are two of you going through one system. Of course, I'm a bass-guy, so I think I'm more biased about having a full-bottom to my sound! 
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Thanks everyone very much. On my volume- my guitar was only 'Trimmed' at about 10:00. Should've been about 2:00. Also, I had the individual channels also at 10:00. Once I bumped them to 2:00, it added a ton of volume.
On the B1- I'll really have to think about it. This duo isn't making a ton of dough (they we're decent) so it's a major thing for me. Also have another band and a daughter in college! One more thing (sorry sorry) On the iPod thing- Couldn't I just play mp3s off my laptop using the USB cable for the TTL? That'd be simple if it would work... Thanks again. I'll let you guys know how it goes. |
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Hey Bryan,
This should work just fine.
We've got some notes about different ways you can do that here: T1® USB connections No (sorry sorry) required. |
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Good morning-
The gig seemed to go pretty well as far as the system was concerned. I'm super annoyed because I recorded it (all 3 hours) with Cakewalk and for some reason, at the end of the night, I had NOTHING to show for it. Must not've saved the project or something- thought I did. SUPER annoyed.... Anyway- Got in early and set up the L1 M2 T1 & B1. There was no stage, we were on the floor. One thing that I didn't notice before was that there was a 4 ft tall partition between the bar and where we were (the bar was to the left) and the dinner tables were on the right. So we were in a corner playing to a 45 degree angle to the bar on the left and the restaurant on the right. So, to help with that partition thing, I put the bass module on a table that elevated it about 4 feet off the ground. This seemed to be good. Anyway, set the system up in about 2 minutes, spent another 10 dinking with my computer to play music and record the gig (yeah right). Popped in "Something" by The Beatles and instantly, the place was filled with really good sound. The owner RIGHT AWAY came over and was admiring the system. LOVED the sound. Then an older guy came up and also praised it saying how good it sounded. Awesome, things were looking good. So later, we do the gig. 2 acoustics, 2 vocals, and I also switch off on crappy mandolin (statement on my playing). My partner and I were in front of the Bose about 5 feet. The way the 'stage' is, it's right kind of in the doorway, so it's the best we could do. To me, it sounded wonderful. However, I could not for the life of me get enough sound out of my partner's guitar and sometimes vocal. I had his trim pushed up to about 3 O'clock and his volume up to about 5 O'clock. Mine was set at 2 O'clock and 2 o'clock. We had rehearsed prior and I had his trim at 2 O'clock and his volume at about the same and it was wonderful. I can only imagine that he was under playing, but I have no idea. We actually got asked to turn it down at one point, which I found strange because it didn't feel loud at all to me. It felt that we were underwhelming as far as the volume went. It may have been that the mandolin was really a bit loud on the few songs we use it on. Anyway, everything seemed to go fine with the system. I will debate on adding a second B1, but at this point, I think I'll hang on. Thanks to everyone that helped me out with questions. We're at the same club next week and I'll see how it goes with recording again and see if I can't post some stuff. |
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