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Ric
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At practice I usually have my L1 and bass modules on the back wall pointing out.

what effect will pointing the bass modules at the back wall have. I read in post that this can reinforce the bass end more and use the room as a cab?

Would doing this muddy the sound at all?
 
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Depends on the wall construction. Most drywall will reinforce midbass (like 100-250 Hz) and let the deeper octave or so pass right on thru giving you little reinforcement from reflection. So if you push your bass boxes up against the wall, you'll tend to get a lot of midbass with a typical drywall-constructed wall. And, yeah, then it will be muddy. Most walls don't reflect sound uniformly with frequency, so you get a change in spectrum you probably don't want no matter what. One possible exception to this is, say, 6" thick concrete with a 1/4" thick lining of steel. Oh, and don't take my word for it either. Do it yourself and see what you hear. Also, aiming the individual bass boxes won't have much effect as they are so much smaller than the wavelengths they are producing that they are virtually omni. For instance, a 125Hz wavelength is on the order of 8 feet. A pair of b1's on each side of your ps1 will give you a hotter midbass down the middle and not so off to the side. Here, you've essentially made a crude bass array. So, my experience with all this tells me that the most consistant way to set the bass up, gig to gig, is to lump the bass boxes together and keep them away from the walls. You won't get the extra bass boost from the walls, but if you did, it wouldn't be wideband. I think you'll always do better not asking the wall to help. You know what they say about free help (you get what you pay for). This works for bass players, dj's and so on.
 
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thanks for the info. Right now I face the base modules out, but the backs of them are just a few inches from the wall. Would I get a better sound by brining them forward a foot or two?
 
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So many variables here, Ric. My answer: "It depends" (I know this is weaseling-out).

Give it a try and report back. But you'll probably find if it's improved where you are standing, it will probably get worse somewhere else in any given room.

It's like this: Trying to improve bass by placing spekers in various locations is like playing a giant whack-a-mole game, if you get the drift.

I also have a "water-bed" analogy, if you wish.
 
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Gee, and all this time I still set my B1s tight to the back wall.

Maybe I need the water-bed analogy.
 
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The water bed analogy is the same as the whack-a-mole one: push down here and it pops up over there, on and on and on (and on and on).

We received a fantastic and crystal-clear demonstration of all this (bass and room modes) out at the Hidden Barn/Big Sur from My Man Chris Ickler. Ken and I did the Vanna White Replica, moving an active B1 all over the room to Chris' instructions, including in the corner and against the wall. As we did this, the "class" walked all over the room and noted that it just changed things and moved them around the room, didn't make anything "better", except maybe at one position. You can easily be fooled by changing things, hear it as "better" where you are located and not know what's going on in the rest of the room.

Of course, if the "improvement" is in the player's position, the player might have a better experience and thus deliver a better performance, even if he or she is getting a different bass experience than the audience (this always seems to be true anyway, at least for some of the audience). And we all know that a great performance always transcends all media. Witness "Good Golly Miss Molly" on a bad mono car radio with shredded speaker cones and road/wind noise coming in through the open windows. It still puts you (one) into orbit.

So, anyway, try it and note what you hear (um, not "see what you hear"). Keep those field reports coming in.
 
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Thanks cliff now I understand.
 
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