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Maybe this has been addressed but I couldn't find it. Someone brought up using the T1 outdoors. Some little digital screens don't like sunlight and after some exposure turn black making it impossible to read. I used to use an Alesis SR-16 drum machine and this would happen quite a bit. Does anyone know if this is a concern with the T1?

Thanks!
Matt
 
Posts: 426 | Location: Duluth, MN | Registered: Sun January 23 2005Reply With QuoteAsk Bose for help
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Matt

should be no problem. The LCD display on the T1 is "transflexive". In dark conditions the blue backlight will shine throught the "transmissibe" part so everything is easily visible.
In bright sunlight, it becomes "reflexive" just like a piece of paper. The backlight may wash out (i.e. it will not look really blue anymore) but it's still clearly visible.

Hope that helps

Hilmar
 
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Thanks Hilmar!
That's good to hear.

Take care,
Matt
 
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Thanks Hilmar,

This gem of knowledge is now in the T1 ToneMatch™ audio engine article in the wiki. (see Display Panel)
 
Posts: 35317 | Location: Canada (Vancouver) | Registered: Sat June 12 2004Reply With QuoteAsk Bose for help
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All I can say is cool. That the beauty of the Bose approach. The question is What if ...? or What about...?, and the answer is... We have thought about that, and here is the solution. Fantastic!
 
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Is there a way to connect the T1 to two L1's so that you could have two musicians using just the one T1?
 
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Hi Franknberi,


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Originally posted by Franknberi:
Is there a way to connect the T1 to two L1's so that you could have two musicians using just the one T1?


Yes,

You can route the main inputs to either the Main output or Aux output.

You can then run the
- Main or ToneMatch™ output to one Model II Power Stand and
- Aux output to the other Model II Power Stand

Does that help?
 
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Very cool! I will try that. Thanks!
 
Posts: 7 | Location: Oklahoma | Registered: Sat April 07 2007Reply With QuoteAsk Bose for help
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Originally posted by Franknberi:
Is there a way to connect the T1 to two L1's so that you could have two musicians using just the one T1?

Hi Franknberi,

I asked a similar question in T1 - One Channel only to AUX ?.
And it came out, that it is possible, but - with the vol knobs (1, 2, 3, 4/5) you can control volume only for one (of the two) L1.
The vol for the second musician/L1 on the AUX-line can only be controled with the AUX settings dialog (and vol knob completely turned down!).

And there is no reverb on the AUX (while ToneMatch processing and all other effects are available).

Wolfgang

(corrected: ToneMatch processing is available on AUX)

This message has been edited. Last edited by: BlackForestMan,
 
Posts: 553 | Location: Freiburg, Germany | Registered: Fri March 04 2005Reply With QuoteAsk Bose for help
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Hi all:

I have a question about the de-esser. In my studio de-essers I have a gain and a threshold but also a frequency control. For example, de-essing a female voice can require compression centered on a higher frequency than a male voice.

What frequency is the T1 de-esser centered about? Is it adjustable? Thanks, Steve Burns
 
Posts: 38 | Registered: Tue March 06 2007Reply With QuoteAsk Bose for help
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That interactive T1 is quite a work of art! Thanks so much, that's neat. My goodness, what Can't you boys do? Smile
 
Posts: 122 | Registered: Wed June 07 2006Reply With QuoteAsk Bose for help
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I would appreciate hearing some elaboration on Channel 4/5 on the T1, and I'm using a Model II L1. Whey is it two numbered, and how is it different?

For example, my iPod plays terribly through it using the same Preset, High Volume Music. I don't hear the bass, it sounds hollow and in general is useless, nobody would want to hear that. But then switch it back over to any of the other channels 1-3 using the same Preset, High Volume Music and there it is, alive and well, full of life.

I see the iPod connected to channel 4/5 in some illustrations but I sure can't get it to go there on my T1.

Help and thoughts would be appreciated.
 
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Hi Pon

quote:
Originally posted by Pon:
I would appreciate hearing some elaboration on Channel 4/5 on the T1, and I'm using a Model II L1. Whey is it two numbered, and how is it different?


Channel 4/5 has two inputs to allow you to connect a device that has two outputs (like an iPod). It is labelled 4/5 because as you use trim, presets and effects, EQ and level, these are applied to both 4 and 5 equally. So these do not function as two separate channels, but work as pair.
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For example, my iPod plays terribly through it using the same Preset, High Volume Music. I don't hear the bass, it sounds hollow and in general is useless, nobody would want to hear that.

This sounds like you have the two channels out-of-phase (which tends to cancel the low frequencies).

Please tell us in detail how you connecting the iPod to the T1™ .

What kinds of cable or cables are you using?

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But then switch it back over to any of the other channels 1-3 using the same Preset, High Volume Music and there it is, alive and well, full of life.

Same question - how are you connecting to the individual channels.
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I see the iPod connected to channel 4/5 in some illustrations but I sure can't get it to go there on my T1.

Help and thoughts would be appreciated.


Let's see if we can get this sorted out for you.
 
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I've never owned anything in my life where wonderful expert help was available so quickly, and dead on target every time as with this Bose L1 and the folks supporting it. I don't take that for granted and I truly thank you all so much for your help for I highly appreciate you. You're the best.

Connecting the iPod a different way fixed it.

I originally had used a cable with the 3.5mm male stereo fitting in the iPod to a 3.5mm male stereo fitting on the other end, then plugged into a 1/4" stereo phone plug adapter, and connecting to either input on channel 4/5 produced the same result, terrible, hollow.

After your suggestion I tried another cable that connected to two RCA phono plugs that adapted into 1/4" phone plugs using both inputs on channel 4/5 instead of just one, and it's as clear as it was on channels 1-3 with the single cable I started with.

So using my iPod on channel 4/5 connected into the two RCA phono plugs adapted into two 1/4" phone plugs ties up both inputs but it's as good (which is wonderful) as when plugged into channels 1-3 with their one input connection.

I can use the iPod on any channel 1-3 as I was originally connected then use the other keyboard connected to one input on channel 4/5 because it seems to make no difference to the keyboard. That still leaves one input on channel 4/5, and may be the way I end up.

Thank you so much for your help. Your support is really something for which to write home.

God bless.
 
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Hi Pon,

I'm glad you got things sounding as they should.

quote:
Originally posted by Pon:
I've never owned anything in my life where wonderful expert help was available so quickly, and dead on target every time as with this Bose L1 and the folks supporting it. I don't take that for granted and I truly thank you all so much for your help for I highly appreciate you. You're the best.

Connecting the iPod a different way fixed it.

I originally had used a cable with the 3.5mm male stereo fitting in the iPod to a 3.5mm male stereo fitting on the other end, then plugged into a 1/4" stereo phone plug adapter, and connecting to either input on channel 4/5 produced the same result, terrible, hollow.

It sounds like one of the "channels" got reversed in this string of conversions.
quote:

After your suggestion I tried another cable that connected to two RCA phono plugs that adapted into 1/4" phone plugs using both inputs on channel 4/5 instead of just one, and it's as clear as it was on channels 1-3 with the single cable I started with.

Great - and a good solution for others.

It sounds like you used one of these


and two of these


We have some notes about these kinds of connections in Backing Tracks in the wiki.

It looks like I'll be updating that page to add information about using backing tracks with the T1™.

quote:

So using my iPod on channel 4/5 connected into the two RCA phono plugs adapted into two 1/4" phone plugs ties up both inputs but it's as good (which is wonderful) as when plugged into channels 1-3 with their one input connection.

I can use the iPod on any channel 1-3 as I was originally connected then use the other keyboard connected to one input on channel 4/5 because it seems to make no difference to the keyboard. That still leaves one input on channel 4/5, and may be the way I end up.

Thank you so much for your help. Your support is really something for which to write home.

God bless.


Just for the record, I don't work for Bose, but I like to help out around here.
 
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That's exactly what I ended up with.

As I mentioned, in order to leave one of the inputs available in channel 4/5 I may move a keyboard there and put the iPod in one of the 1-3 channels which works fine with one input on those. I'm open to any other thoughts but it seems that would work for me.

Thanks so much. That's neat how you brought the pictures to see, thanks.

I sure do thank you for your help, whether you're Bose or not! You've all been mighty kind, good and helpful to me trying to catch on to this approach to playing. I'm nearly 70 years old and you can imagine the changes I've seen, and this is big time new to me but I sure love it! Gosh it's good!

God bless
 
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Hi Pon,

it would seem to me that you should have lost half of your iPod signal when going into one of the 1-3 channels as you would have only the left OR right channel.
You may check this by playing a song you know has some "hard right" and/or "hard left" signals.

If do have the complete signal, stop right here, congratulations from me, and the best of luck for the future, otherwise read on... Wink

According to the T1 Demo those accept unbalanced 1/4" TRS (which should then rather be called "TS").
By the same token, the 4/5 Line Ins accept balanced 1/4" TRS which might have been the source of your problem as the "ring" signal would be phase inverted, then added to the "Tip" signal. As stereo signals tend to have much in common, this would cancel out all the identical and much of the similar signals on both stereo channels (bass being one that likes to sit squat in the middle of the stereo range) thus accounting for your "useless" sound.

If you really need those additional inputs there are devices available that electronically combine a stereo signal into mono which you could then feed into the T1 with a 1/4" TS cable.
There are "Y"-connectors out there that claim to do just that (e.g. Hosa 1/8 in. Stereo to 1/4 in. Mono Cable), so you might want to try this, though some sources warn against using them (at least those where "Ring" is just connected to "Shield") - see "Why Not Wye?"

Hope I didn't totally confuse you (or better even, you didn't have to read all this because your iPod connection is working fine the way it is on channels 1-3).

Best wishes and God bless

Christian
 
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Hi Christian and Pon,

according to the T1 manual (p.4) channel 1-3 will accept ¼" TRS balanced or TS unbalanced cables, as well as channel 4/5 will do so.

Wolfgang
 
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quote:
Originally posted by ChristianB:
According to the T1 Demo those accept unbalanced 1/4" TRS (which should then rather be called "TS").



You are right - the interactive demo *does* say this.

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and Wolfgang is right - the correct information is here in the T1 ToneMatch™ Audio Engine Manual

--== click the picture to see it in context ==--
 
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ST,
thank you for your "clarification" that we both are right.

The question behind this isn't "who is right", but rather why did Pon's iPod sound so bad on channel-4/5 but sounded very well on channel-1-3?

If channel 1-3 would support only unbalanced TR then Christian's explanation about the difference in sound quality would absolutely make sense.

Hopefully somebody of the Bose people would chime in and help on this issue.

Wolfgang
 
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