I love my T1 and although I find myself longing for some much needed features, I still feel it's ahead of it's time... until now. Line 6 has just released a digital mixer that is a quantum leap over anything else I've ever seen. No, you can't hang it on your Mic stand (which I love), but you can do far more with it than you could possibly imagine in your wildest dreams. Bose started a thread a while back asking user's what they would like to see in the next version of the T1. I don't think any of us imagined this.
There is an ongoing discussion about this
Single multi-channel Tone match type mixer for L1
The T1 was designed for a single musician mixing device for an L1 ModelII.This stagescape mixer is more along the lines of a group mixer.Mackie is coming out with a similar DL1608 mixer utilizing an IPAD for wireless connectivity,but it also is for groups,and at $1500 cheaper than this stagescape.I don't see Bose getting away from their one L1 per musician concept.It works to well.At $2500 a pop I just don't see it giving the T1 much competition IMHO.
I would miss the presets...they make things so easy.
Also...does anyone else think that Line 6 thing looks a bit like an Edsel?
Mackie has a cool new mixer that incorporates an iPad too, but the T1 is still tops for a small and purpose-built solution for the L1.
I definitely agree with all of you that the T1 has it's own place on the instrument shelf. I was just commenting that the SoundScape has raised the bar and it's undeniable. Obviously, it has far more inputs for an entire band, but it was the features that I was focusing on.
The main reason I wanted to mention the SoundScape is because competition is GOOD! It's forces other manufactures to take notice and raise the bar themselves. Hopefully Bose will be influenced by what Line 6 has achieved and incorporate some of that technology into the next version of the T1. Perhaps even bypass it with some of their own unique ideas. I'm sure we can all agree on that, yes?
IMHO,I believe that these new mixers are influenced by Bose design.They offer presets,and scene recall,something we Bose L1/T1 users have been benefitting from for years.This will give the Bose haters some of these benefits for 5 times the cost.I guess if you are into recording,have a large band,and don't own a Bose T1,and don't need a small stage footprint,this is probably reasonable.I'm sure that whatever Bose is working on,it is very unique and ahead of the curve.One thing this does do,is make the Bose system seem very affordable.Now if Bose can affordably add all these bells and whistles and keep it small enough to fit on a mic stand then thats tempting to me.
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I have studied the mixer and have found it to not be competition to the T1. This mixer is about five times larger, than the T1. It also have a retail price that is five times greater.
I will be honest, if you are looking at this mixer, you are running more FOH for a full band rather than a solo, duo, or trio. I found it be extremely innovative and packed full of features. Would I use it in place of a T1? Probably not. If I need more channels than what the T1 is capable of, then I need more sound equipment as well.
Now if this was for an iPhone or iPod Touch with a smaller size to fit and had 4 channels like the T1 then it would be "serious competition".
Tom, you're not to far off from that statement.
What I believe is going to be the next evolution is what Alesis has already invented. A blank interface you snap your iPad into the middle of and now you have a mixing board. This invention is going to do what Plasma TV's did to CRT's. Make analog mixers with physical buttons into dinosaurs. It's called the I/O Dock.
There are actually a couple different I/O Docks that work with the iPad now that you can read about on some of the recording blogs. Most of them are USB type that work with the iPad dock. I can't think of what brand they are offhand.
I do like that Alesis I/O dock because it works with Multitrack DAW which I use on the iPad, but it doesn't look very good for a standalone mixer to me. I notice they're also working on guitar and drum processors.
Hey Tom, I found an I/O Dock that I feel has beat everyone to the punch. It's by Mackie and it's called the DL1608. It's pretty much what I knew what would be eventually coming out as soon as I saw the potential the iPad had in the music world.
Check it out:
That's the Mackie I was talking about a few posts up. The coolest part of it, I think, is that several iPads can be used at the same time to control individual monitor mixes. It's not something you could use with the L1 that way, but for a standard house system it would give T1-like control for each musician at their mic stand. I'm tempted to get it, but I have no place to use it right now.
I'm just excited that companies like Line 6 and Mackie are working really hard to get products out as soon as the technology is available. I'm a gadget freak, so this is the stuff I live for.
I'm really looking forward to what seeing what Bose does for the next version of the T1 (T2) and I'm confident that I'll be one of the 1st people in line to grab it!
I'm excited about it too. The bad part is that it ships just after the iPad 3 comes out, so they're already a year behind - actually two years since the iPad has been out for two years now. Hopefully Mackie will update their little insert that fits the Ipad 2.
I've been using the iPod Touch and iPhone for guitar processing and effects and even jamming organ and other sounds on ThumbJam, and I'm ready to use them even more in the future. I'd love to see Bose maybe incorporate them too.
I think that to some extent these I/O Docks like the Mackie DL1608 will succeed or fail based on the validity of the assumption that a band will already have (or be willing to buy) iPads for as many users (or musicians) as there are who need to control the sound.
I just checked and an iPad2 with 16 GB and WiFi costs the same as a T1®. From what I saw of the Mackie DL1608, the T1® provides more options and control to an individual performer in terms of Presets, and effects. The DL 1608 multi-band ParaEq may provide more precise control of EQ but in a live performance situation I think that the T1®'s zEQ and single ParaEQ have served me very well.
It looks to me as thought the devices like the DL1608 may be better suited to situations where there is someone dedicated to managing the front of house mix. The cost of that person needs to be factored in here somewhere.
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Yeah, ST, I was thinking about a completely traditional system or a multiple L1 system controlled by a sound man out front, but even then I'd rather be using a T1 to control my levels on stage personally. I guess honestly the only appeal of this system for me is the wireless mixing if I was doing traditional FOH sound as the sound man, and I don't have traditional speakers to do this with anymore anyway.
Some recent travel time with an ipad on hand has me enamored with it. I am not a techie, but I find myself wanting to buy my own.
I do not see any advantage of either of the aforementioned mixers currently, for an L1 user, but, I can envision a future T1 with touch screen and perhaps wireless connection to the power stand.
There is a certain attraction to removing the mechanical controls from electronics, though I am not certain it necessarily makes them more reliable for our use. While in Florida last week an unexplained glitch rendered my friends ipad useless for email. Upon returning home it magically returned to normal operation. Even though it was probably user error, that same type of failure in a gig situation would put me in a panic.
I recall Ken's talk in Cuchura comparing the way computer systems make color appear correct regardless of whose camera we use through a decoding system by adobe, to the possibility of a sound company doing the same thing with different makes of speakers, amps, mixers etc. With that in mind there may come a day when you can get an app from Bose to add to your ipad that will then control all the sound parameters stored within the base of your Model III or IV.
The downside of this is there will be someone who comes around and hacks into your system and messes with your sound during performance.
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