Hi everyone!

1st time poster here...after hearing about the Bose tower I've finally demo-ed one last week and frankly, I'm stunned at how great it sounds. Its as good...probably better...than any PA I've ever used for my solo/duo stuff...

Here's my current set up:

Tyros 2 arranger
Sennhieser 855e vocal mic
Digitech Vocalist harmonizer/processor
Yamaha EMX 212s box amp/mixer
2 EV Force i 15's or 2 Behringer 15's

I am likely to be purchasing a model 1 soon. Right now, at least my plan is to run everything as usual into my emx then run that into the bose. I understand I'll only be using the yamaha for its effects and mixer, not the amp.

Is this a way you vets of the L1 would suggest?

Any issues with the particular mic I use?

Thanks in advance for any comments you might have...

Hi Bill,

Thanks for joining the message board.

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Right now, at least my plan is to run everything as usual into my emx then run that into the bose. I understand I'll only be using the yamaha for its effects and mixer, not the amp.

Is this a way you vets of the L1 would suggest?

This is a great question.

I strongly urge you to take all your gear and set up in gig sized room where you can make some noise.

Set up with everything running direct to Model I (or Classic) Power Stand. Skip the EMX 212s and the Digitech Vocalist for now.

So that probably has you with your microphone running into the Model 1 Power Stand. Try Preset 18 (Sennheiser e855). I would not expect any particular issues.

Set the gain staging as per the short video below.

--== click the picture ==--

Crank up the volume a bit and listen to your voice in the context of the room; in the context of natural reverb in the room.

Okay, now connect the Tyros 2 arranger to Power Stand Channels 3 and 4. How does that sound?

When you make whatever adjustments you like to the Tyros 2 you can go back and focus on the microphone.

Does your Digitech Vocalist let you connect your microphone directly to it? If so, then you can try that and take a mono output to Power Stand Channel 1.

You may have to do some experimenting with the levels to get things working.

Do you normally run your microphone through the Tyros? If so, try that too of course.

Okay - give things a good listen.

I am hoping that you will find that you can work without the Yamaha EM212.

If you feel you need the effects in the Yamaha EM212, then you can go back to your original plan, but I wanted to make sure you know what things sound like both ways before making a decision.

Here is why...
How Not to Hear What You've Got

I use a Yamaha EMX as my mixer with model 1 for my praise group at church. When I perform in a duo I go used to go right in to the L1 directly and now have a T1. I would suggest avoiding havingto use the Yamaha if you can. I think the sound is better without it. The only reason I use it is because I have 8 microphones running into it and there not enough inputs on the Bose. I just started doing this, using the EMX with the L1, that is so I haven't had a lot of time to tweak so there may be a way to improve the sound a little bit. Also, The Curch's mics ar inferior quality to what I use when my duo performs. So it would hurt to try both ways. The EMX is a bit of a bear to carry especially if you don't have to. Just my two cents.

Tony

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Originally posted by Tony:
I use a Yamaha EMX as my mixer with model 1 for my praise group at church. When I perform in a duo I go used to go right in to the L1 directly and now have a T1. I would suggest avoiding havingto use the Yamaha if you can. I think the sound is better without it. The only reason I use it is because I have 8 microphones running into it and there not enough inputs on the Bose. I just started doing this, using the EMX with the L1, that is so I haven't had a lot of time to tweak so there may be a way to improve the sound a little bit. Also, The Curch's mics ar inferior quality to what I use when my duo performs. So it would hurt to try both ways. The EMX is a bit of a bear to carry especially if you don't have to. Just my two cents.

Tony

Tony-Does the L1 Model 1 have built in effects within the various presets?

I'm now thinking a better way to set this up would be to run the Tyros 2 direct into the Bose...

I'd run my mic into my digitech harmonizer, use that for all desired effects on my vocal, then that goes straight to the Bose as well...Like Steve said...

The only question about that would be where do I actually put the Digitech (a single rack unit)
in the set up? It's always sat right on top of my mixer...Its very nice to be able to actually reach over and touch the digitech if need be. Visually, its convenient to be able to see the display while performing...

I could bring an X stand with a shelf and just sit it right on it...it'd be a secure place to put water, a tip jar, etc...

Another idea might be an attachment to my keyboard stand ( http://www.quiklok.com/catalog/?p=productsMore&iProduct=27&sName=WS-550 )

Maybe a small utility shelf that attaches to the side of the quicloc that allows it to be reachable...The Digitech certainly doesn't weigh very much...

Ideas?

Hi Bill,

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Originally posted by Bill in Dayton:

Does the L1 Model 1 have built in effects within the various presets?

There are no effects (reverb, delay, modulation, etc.) built into the Presets.

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I'm now thinking a better way to set this up would be to run the Tyros 2 direct into the Bose...

Certainly worth the experiment.

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I'd run my mic into my digitech harmonizer, use that for all desired effects on my vocal, then that goes straight to the Bose as well...Like Steve said...

The only question about that would be where do I actually put the Digitech (a single rack unit)
in the set up? It's always sat right on top of my mixer...Its very nice to be able to actually reach over and touch the digitech if need be. Visually, its convenient to be able to see the display while performing...

That's been an interesting challenge for me... where to put the rack gear.

quote:

I could bring an X stand with a shelf and just sit it right on it...it'd be a secure place to put water, a tip jar, etc...

Another idea might be an attachment to my keyboard stand ( http://www.quiklok.com/catalog/?p=productsMore&iProduct=27&sName=WS-550 )

Maybe a small utility shelf that attaches to the side of the quicloc that allows it to be reachable...The Digitech certainly doesn't weigh very much...

Ideas?

That quiklok stand looks great. There are several bits of this and that on the quiklok site that might work.

http://www.quiklok.com/catalog/?p=p_12&sName=Rack-Stands-&-Accessories

http://www.quiklok.com/catalog/?p=p_14&sName=Mixer-Stands

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Hi Bill,

I don't know if you have easy access to an L1 to take home and try out. If not, forum member Brian Harris lives in Dayton and might be able to assist you. I don't know how busy he is, but he has been very helpful to me.

I've invited him into this thread.

Hi Bill,

Shoot away. What questions/concerns do you have?

As far as additional amps, you won't need those if you purchase the L1 system, since the base of the L1 is the amp itself!

Hey Bill,

Thanks for joining us.

Welcome.

Ken

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Originally posted by Drumr:
Hi Bill,

I don't know if you have easy access to an L1 to take home and try out. If not, forum member Brian Harris lives in Dayton and might be able to assist you. I don't know how busy he is, but he has been very helpful to me.

I've invited him into this thread.

Wow...I've actually used Brian as a sideman for my quartet. He's a great drummer across many styles...Solid as <heck>...

Ironically, his brother, Steve, is my full time drummer, lol...

As if that's not enough, their father, Hal is a long time Dayton band leader and trombone player, who I've also used...

Quite the musical family...

I'll definitely consult with Brian, for sure...

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Originally posted by Brian Harris:
Hi Bill,

Shoot away. What questions/concerns do you have?

As far as additional amps, you won't need those if you purchase the L1 system, since the base of the L1 is the amp itself!

Hey Brian...

We should hook up for coffee or something...

You know the kind of stuff I do...mainly this is for my Solo/Duo stuff with the Tyros arranger...

I've heard the model 2, I'll hear the model 1 over the weekend...Other than being lighter and the speakers being articulated differently than on the model 1-do you have any opinions on which would be better for me?

I think 1 sub for me would be plenty...

Thoughts?

Bill,

ohhhhhhhhhh, it's THAT Bill.....of the Corfield kind!

How are you buddy?

Thanks for the drum "props".

If you are free Dec 27, I am doing a wedding at Hope Hotel and you can hear them there.

I know they'd be amazing for your quartet.
You'd probably only need an L1 stick and 2 B1 subs since you play a lot of smaller venues (from what I know) and the band is only a 4 piece.

It will serve as a monitor AND the PA system, if you put it behind all of you.

I would set it behind Steve or next to him (given he sets up the farthest in the back).

Gimme a shout sometime!

Hey Bill!

Nice to see you in THIS forum too!



So how does it feel getting such good, practical, polite, helpful and respectful advice from so many different reliable sources so soon?

Just like the SYNTHZONE forum..........right???


lol

Hey Greg...

It feels fine...Always room for another great resource...I need all the help I can find!

(Is the drama level lower here?)

Not as dramatic by a long shot Bill! The only time my heart rate gets up on this forum is when I get excited about learning something new! And that's a good thing! Nice to see you here and congrats on joining the BOSE fraternity!

Hi Bill. I think you'll find this forum is pretty much a "no drama zone".

Respect,
Col. Andy

Gang-

I A/B-ed the model II and the model 1 yesterday with no tone engine involved and both running through a flatly set Yamaha board.

Each tower had 1 sub set up...

I used a Yamaha PSR 900 to demo both...

Output is obviously not likely to be a major concern.

Overall, I was very satisfied with the overall throw of both units despite their different constructions. In front of the towers, I walked some 100 feet in the middle of a busy GC and could hear both very well over the din. Behind them, yes...a big difference...but no one is usually behind me...

As far as dispertion, I'm sure the width of the model 2 has a wider throw, but not one that I'm sure I would often really benefit from.

99% of the time I'm set up on a stage or against a back wall somewhere and the majority of my audience is right in front of me. I'm thinking that a standard large meeting room or mid sized banquet hall, with the tower set behind me and to the side, would hear very pleasantly throughout the room. (That's pretty much one of the biggest traits of these units, right?)

Most of my clients are Retirement Communities, Nursing Homes, animal clubs. Not gigantic halls whatsoever.

One thing I noticed that IMO favored the model 2 was the low end. Kind of hard to describe...output seemed equal...But the model 2 seemed to have a super low clarity to it, where as the model 1 seemed stronger in the mid range frequencies...

Am I hearing something others have commented on?

Thoughts?

Thanks!!!

Hi Bill

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I'm thinking that a standard large meeting room or mid sized banquet hall, with the tower set behind me and to the side, would hear very pleasantly throughout the room. (That's pretty much one of the biggest traits of these units, right?)

I play solo and duo in similar venues as you and you will have no problems IMO. Model II user with T1 and a single base unit and we have no problems with dispersion of vocal guitar and keys running through single L1. I have not experienced the classic or model I so others will offer better advice on the differences. With 15 gigs between now and the 23rd we sure like the portability of the model II!
Cheers! Brian.

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Originally posted by BrianBeveridge:
Hi Bill, I play solo and duo in similar venues as you and you will have no problems IMO. Model II user with T1 and a single base unit and we have no problems with dispersion of vocal guitar and keys running through single L1. I have not experienced the classic or model I so others will offer better advice on the differences. With 15 gigs between now and the 23rd we sure like the portability of the model II!
Cheers! Brian.

Exactly. Portability was one of the biggest reasons I chose a Bose. Like you, I have a busy performance schedule...(usually 375-400 gigs per year) and my back is telling me loud and clear that I have to go lighter. I did not, however, want to sacrifice sound quality.

be safe on the roads, pal...

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Originally posted by Bill in Dayton:
... I have a busy performance schedule...(usually 375-400 gigs per year) and my back is telling me loud and clear that I have to go lighter. I did not, however, want to sacrifice sound quality. ...

With either of the L1 models (I or II), you will not sacrifice quality.

You have to put the value on the extra weight and size of the Model I vs. the smaller, lighter Model II. With that many gigs per year, that extra weight will add up (albeit much less than what you're probably using now, for either Bose Model!).

Hi Bill

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Originally posted by Bill in Dayton:
Most of my clients are Retirement Communities, Nursing Homes, animal clubs. Not gigantic halls whatsoever.

One thing I noticed that IMO favored the model 2 was the low end. Kind of hard to describe...output seemed equal...But the model 2 seemed to have a super low clarity to it, where as the model 1 seemed stronger in the mid range frequencies...

Am I hearing something others have commented on?

I loved the reference to animal clubs. One thing about those, at least in my neck of the woods, is that access to the stage area can be pretty haphazard. Sometimes is a straight walk in, other times it's a maze. As I was reminded last night, the smaller, lighter Power Stand on the Model II is a joy. If you ever have to manage stairs you will appreciate the difference right away.

With respect to the smoother dispersion off axis

• I ran Classics for three years (same dispersion as the Model I). They are terrific however, you can put a Model II almost anywhere in a room and it will sound great. I had to put a little more thought into placement of the stage with the Classic. Not as much as with any other system I've run, but the Model II is much more flexible in this regard. I know you said that most of the time your audience will be mainly in front of you. I find that in smaller venues sometimes I end up set up in the middle of a long wall and have at least a third of the audience off to the sides.
  
  
• Oh, and did I mention that it will be easier to get it to the stage.
  

And for the Bass response, the Model II crossover is at 200 Hz (crossover to the B1), and the crossover for the Model I is at 180 Hz***. That might account for the difference you are hearing.
— *** Reference in the wiki about the crossover

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Originally posted by Bill in Dayton:
Exactly. Portability was one of the biggest reasons I chose a Bose. Like you, I have a busy performance schedule...(usually 375-400 gigs per year) and my back is telling me loud and clear that I have to go lighter. I did not, however, want to sacrifice sound quality.

Bill, I count 375-400 opportunities a year to appreciate the portability. Or as 375-400 opportunities to avoid buyers remorse related to the weight. But on reflection, because I know it sounds like I'm pushing this, and I don't mean to, if you are hauling in a keyboard then maybe the difference won't be as profound for you as it is for me.

Best wishes in your deliberations.