I have a Digitech Vocalist Live 4 and I am playing it through my L1 model II with T1. I am using an Shure Beta 58 to sing through with my accoustic guitar and LR Baggs iMix. What setting should the T1 be on for the Vocalist Live 4?

Thanks!

I asked the same thing a while back; I believe it was suggested I use GUITAR THRU, and then the guitar preset used normally should work fine.

I am also trying to figure out what settings/presets/configuration on the L1 to use for my SM58 mic (plugged into Vocalist Live 4 mic input). The output cables plug into channels 1&2 currently on my L1, and I left the preset to SM58. Works fine, but might sound better with different configuration and presets... Any tips/suggestions?

Mark Young
www.musicbymark.net

Hello Sharkbyte,
This is the way I hook mine up to the T1.I connect my SM58 mic into channel 1 set to the proper preset then from ch1 pre-amp out to the Vocalist mic in,my guitar is connected to channel 2 set to the proper preset then from ch2 pre-amp out to the Vocalist guitar in.The Vocalist out is sent to channel 3 with SM58 mic preset.This gives me the best sound for my main priority sound,the harmony priority is secondary but still very very good.It will require two additional balanced cables but is well worth the effort for the great sound I'm getting.The Vocalist just needs your vocal mic and guitar signal for producing the harmony, it doesn't need any eq or effects so the pre-amp signal is sufficient.I always set my main sound first,then once I get the sound right, I hook up my Vocalist via the pre-amp outs. Everyone has a different setup , this mine - J.D.

I "second" JD's recommendation.

We all work so hard refining the TONE of our instruments and vocals, and I found that THRU the Vocalist diluted my tone, and I would not tolerate that. Also, especially with microphones, plugging into anything (mixer, fx...) in front of the L1 seems to reduce power and headroom and introduces feedback. Straight in is the way to go.

I came to JD's method independently, and I recommend that it's well worth a try.

Best, Mike

Thank you for the great tips! I will give it a try.

Sounds like one of the best ways to hook things up. So, Are these your cables (VOCL4 refers to Vocalist Live 4):

GUITAR <-1/4" / 1/4"-> CH 1 on L1

SM58/Mic <--XLR / XLR --> CH 2 on L1

L1 Pre-Amp Out <-1/4" / 1/4"-> VocL4 Guitar-IN

L1 Pre-Amp Out <-1/4" / 1/4" -> VocL4 Mic-In
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AND, outputs FROM VocL4:
What cables/port connections are you using here? XLR FEMALE to 1/4" MALE?

Thanks,

Mark

Mark Young
Iron Mountain, MI
www.myspace.com/somanysongs

Oops, I meant SM58 into CH1 / Guitar CH2 as you stated. Please be specific as to mono vs. stereo cables... Thanks,

Mark

quote:

Originally posted by Mark from Upper Peninsula, MICH.:
... as to mono vs. stereo cables...

As far as the L1 (or T1) is concerned, there is no such thing as a stereo cable.

That is, each connection should only carry one "musical" signal. The only differences are whether it carries that signal on two (signal+reference) wires or three (differential signals+reference).

In practice, unless the cables are real long (>20'), it usually doesn't matter whether the cables are Tip-Sleeve (TS="unbalanced") or Tip-Ring-Sleeve (TRS="balanced").

The only "concern" comes when plugging a TRS cable into a source connection (e.g.: iPod) which is using the 3-wire (TRS) connection for two separate (a.k.a. stereo L & R) signals.

In the usage being described here with the Vocalist Live, it doesn't matter.

Hello Mark,
I also hook up this way.I hook up my mic w/xlr cable to ch1,and guitar w/1/4" standard cable to ch2 in.I use balanced xlr:1/4" TRS cables for ch1 and ch4/5 , I use 1/4" TRS cable for ch2 .These cables can be purchased at GC or any music store,Radio Shack etc.I am attaching a picture of my hookup.The picture will help you figure out what type of ends you need. - J.D.

J.D.

You are good! Those are some great pictures. As they say a picture is worth a thousand words.
I took the advise off of the responses I got and the results were great! Thank You! I did notice one difference that I have vs the set up you are running. I am going from the VL4 left mono out into channel 3 on the T1. I have an iPod in channel 4. This should work the same way as what you are doing right?

On another note... I had a question for you. When I turn off my L1 model II with the T1 I get a static discharge type of noise out of the speakers. Have you ever heard of this? It does not matter if I leave the T1 on or off. The noise is there when I turn the main power off on the base. Have you ever heard this noise?

Thanks!

I know what you mean about the noise. It's like a big electronic mosquito.

Respect,
Col.Andy

Hey Sharkbyte,
Glad my method is working for you.I've even used a xlr mic cable to hook ch3 to the Vocalist mono out ,then use ch4 for my backing tracks.
"I am going from the VL4 left mono out into channel 3 on the T1." This was the first scenerio I used on first posting to you.It works just fine.The second scenerio allows for an extra mic cabled microphone for guests.
I haven't noticed any noise on T1 switch off on my Model II using the digital cable from the T1,but when I use my Classic having to use the AC power supply for the T1 , I do get a popping sound when I switch off. - J.D.

Indulge/pardon my last clarification here on connections:

I have L1 Model I, so with the connection recommendations given so far (summarized below), I'll need:
[LIST]

1 SPEAKON<-->XLR cable, &

1 SPEAKON<-->1/4" cable
(or 2 speakon adapters, one XLR & one 1/4"cable)
to take the L1 PRE-AMP OUTS to the Voc. Live 4's 1/4" GUITAR IN and XLR MIC IN, right?

My summation of what I ascertained from the recommendations to date:
1. Connect SM58 & GUITAR to CH1 & CH2 on L1, respectively (set to the proper presets)
2. Adjust Sound/EQ
3. CH1 & CH2 pre-amp outs to VL4's MIC IN / GUITAR-IN
4. VL4's OUT sent to CH3 on L1 (w/SM58 mic preset)

See attached graphic...
Thanks for clarification/options...
Mark

Mark Young
Iron Mountain, MI
www.myspace.com/somanysongs

Oops, Guess I have the L1 CLASSIC 'revised'/late model. Please ignore my incorrect reference to mine being L1 Model 1.

I find the UPDATE Presets (2? 3?) confusing... do I need to start with 2, or just skip it and jump to version 3? Thought last time I looked into this a year or so ago for a couple hours of research, it appeared my model didn't need any updating??? Does it? (I have a new Martin Jumbo w/ Fishman Elipse pickup, and have no clue which preset to use).

Thanks,

Mark

Hello Mark,
This thread from Sharkbyte was for a T1 connection to a Vocalist 4 info, not to a powerstand - J.D.

Hello Mark,
You may try this hookup - J.D.

re: hookup diagram...
Or, for the red line, go from the "Line Out L" 1/4" rather than the XLR.

Be sure the Phantom Power is OFF on the Vocalist.

Do any of you blend in a little bit of th VL4 on the lead vocals? I have found it helps give a bit more depth to my vocals. Does anybody know if the pitch correction works on the lead vocals when you are using the harmonies?

Thanks again for all the great suggestions!

quote:

Or, for the red line, go from the "Line Out L" 1/4" rather than the XLR.

I seem to either get no sound or miss guitar or mic if I use the 1/4" output instead of the "Left/Mono Out" XLR.

I've been trying to use J.D.'s straightforward setup - clearly the easiest (while still allowing the L1 to make full use of presets), but I'm getting different results everytime. Thurs., I couldn't any harmony, so I quickly rewired (direct to Vocalist w/ mic & guitar, and outputted to L1).

Tonight, I tried JD's connection method again with Vocalist & L1, & it worked, but volume control knobs on VOCALIST had no effect on volume of mic or guitar. HARMONY worked, and I am pretty sure some of the effects I use most (3rd up, 3rd down, 3rd up & down, CSN) worked, and I think I could hear the female vocal on GUYS & GALS, but Chipmunk and some others made NO difference in sound.

Any idea what's wrong, or what I might be doing wrongly?

Thanks,
Mark

Here's what I do, and I don't think you'll get a better sound than this.

Run the XLR Outputs from the Vocalist into Channels 1 and 2 on the L1. Set the presets for SM 58s. Run your guitar into the Guitar In jack on the Vocalist. If you want an amp sound, or more processing for your guitar, run a 1/4" line from the Guitar Thru jack on the Vocalist to the imput on your device, then run the output from that into Channel 3 or 4 on the Bose. Remember to pot the guitar level all the way down on the vocalist when you want the sound of the amp, or processor.

Run your other intrument(s) into channels 3 and 4 on the Bose and use the appropriate pre-sets.

That's all there is to it. I do 3-5 shows a week like this, and it works every time.