I don't own a T1/ToneMatch, but have the L1.
I've used the setups previously recommended here, and will try this configuration.

I usually use the Bose L1, but how should I change my configuration when I play a large venue w/ house sound system/stage crew? Should I use same set up, but give a GUITAR THRU cable out to the sound guy so he can control my guitar volume? This won't allow him to tweak my VOCAL volume, wil it? (or does Guitar Thru result in only the VOCAL going out the LINE OUT? I realize this digresses a little from L1 discussion, but not entirely, as some of us here need to occasionally transfer our configurations between stage sound on some venues back to L1 configuration w/o stress or reinventing the wheel.

I had terrible trouble - thought it might be my Bose L1, but determined it was my pulsar cables & poor solder joints (both ends on one cable!).

Thanks,

Mark
www.musicbymark.net

JOEL - I just reviewed what you posted, and can't see how you could SEPARATELY CONTROL the VOCAL & GUITAR w/ the L1 controller. Tho you can adjust GUITAR volume via on-board eq/volume slider on guitar, your setup requires you to bend over to adjust VOCAL levels on the VL4, right?

Mark

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Here's what I do, and I don't think you'll get a better sound than this.

Run the XLR Outputs from the Vocalist into Channels 1 and 2 on the L1. Set the presets for SM 58s. Run your guitar into the Guitar In jack on the Vocalist. If you want an amp sound, or more processing for your guitar, run a 1/4" line from the Guitar Thru jack on the Vocalist to the imput on your device, then run the output from that into Channel 3 or 4 on the Bose. Remember to pot the guitar level all the way down on the vocalist when you want the sound of the amp, or processor.

Run your other intrument(s) into channels 3 and 4 on the Bose and use the appropriate pre-sets.

I have just recently purchased the VL4 and am using the same method as Joel, except I use mono out. I see no advantage in using stereo. If there is an advantage, please advise.

I use guitar thru for my main guitar sound and the guitar knob on the VL4 for a touch of whatever the VL4 might add to the mix, as some presets offer guitar effects.

It is not a good idea to use onboard controls to change guitar volume during a performance with this setup because, the gain at input needs to be stable to make the harmonies work correctly.

I have not used the VL4 with my T1 or Classic yet, only my Compact, so simplicity is what I am after.

I have modified the EQ on lead vocal user presets to be the same and free from lead vocal effects. This allows me to scroll through the presets without the lead vocal changing. This also means the harmonies are always singing with "me".

If I want the factory settings I can always move to 50 - 100.

For those of you putting the Bose first in the signal chain:

Are you sending the lead vocal back to the Bose again with the harmony mix, or are you turning that output down?

O..

O, I'm going into the T1 first and then into the VL4. I send it back into the T1 and master out to Compact (or L1 as the case may be).

Sooo.. Captbanjo,

Do you turn the vocal level down on the VL4 and just send the harmony (and guitar) back to the T1? Or... Do you send the lead vocal back again with whatever treatment the VL4 puts on it?

Don't mean to take this thread away from it's original title, maybe we can talk more about ideas of use on the other thread.

O..

O..

I'm butting in (nothing new!), but I used to run exactly like that - I didn't like the way the "thru" affected either my mic or my guitar, so I took a lot of care routing so my signals were pure and just the harmony went to a third channel.

I use a different mic now (58 Beta) that seems to sound fine "thru" the VL-Pro, but I still route my guitars straight to the amp through my SPS-1 preamp - main to the amp and aux to the VL.

I felt like I worked too hard on tone to let the harmony machine alter it... May not have made a dime's difference, but I felt better...

Mike

I adjust the VL4 effects to sound the way I like them and then send them back. I usually go for moderation and light on the reverb. The advantage to doing that, IMO, is you can tweak the sound a bit to achieve the tone you're shooting for.

If I follow the recent advise &:

1.) Plug SM58 Mic INTO the VL4 MIC-INPUT
2.) Plug Martin GUITAR into VL4 GUITAR-IN
3.) Turn VL4 guitar pot all the way down
4.) Run VL4's MONO or STEREO OUTPUT into CH1 INPUT on the L1,
5.) Run VL4's GUITAR THRU output > to CH2 INPUT on L1, will the result be:

L1 accurately receives Martin guitar signal & applies chosen PRESET.
BUT does "Guitar Thru" REMOVE the GUITAR from the VL4's MONO/STEREO OUTPUT mix?

Mark

Hi Mark,

If you

3.)Turn VL4 guitar pot all the way down

Yes, the

L1 accurately receives Martin guitar signal & applies chosen PRESET.

BUT does "Guitar Thru" REMOVE the GUITAR from the VL4's MONO/STEREO OUTPUT mix?

No that task is taken care of by the VL4 guitar pot you have already turned down.

The guitar "thru" is just what it implies, a "thru" signal unaffected by the equipment it has just gone "thru"

The VL4 outs out will contain the effects as applied in the "Guitar Mix".


Does this help?

O..

This message has been edited. Last edited by: Oldghm,

Thanks - got it. I meant to clarify/add that if I run my Martin THRU, I'm assuming that the VL4's MONO/L or R&L OUTPUTS going into the free CH (CH1 or CH2) on L1 would use the SM58 preset, since it's only VOCAL coming into that L1 channel, correct? Has Bose developed any tool for figuring out which preset to use for unlisted guitars? Or any collaboration w/ manufacturers to help users figure out which to use? I don't think there is a Martin OMC Aura preset, and I know there isn't a preset for any of my other guitars.
Thanks again... Mark

Hi Mark,

I think I gave wrong info in my last post. I will edit that post to more clearly reflect what is going on.

It seems that the effects part of guitar mix comes through even when the VL4 guitar pot is turned all the way down. If it sounds bad or bothers you (that's how I discovered it was in the mix) It is easy enough to edit the "Guitar Mix" so that "0" shows on GTRRVB LVL and on GMOD AMT, or any other # from 1 to 99 to suit taste. One can also elect to select GMOD OFF with the "Mod Type" knob. All this while in "Edit" mode of course.

The effects are sometimes so subtle they are not heard clearly so I'm still figuring out exactly what is going on. I only noticed when I turned the Harmony level up to match the Lead Vocal level.

For your latest question; The VL4 mono out carries the entire mix, whatever it contains, but the lead vocal should be the primary concern when selecting Bose preset and /or eq settings.

As for your guitar, many here have found the #49 preset to be good with a wide variety of guitars and pickups.

When you have a little time set all eq controls to flat and click through the acoustic presets. Usually one or two will stand out, then you can tinker with eq to fine tune to your taste.

O..