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I'm yet to try the L1 (MII, B1 x 2, and T1) in a live environment, I've been confined to my studio (roughly 12" x 6"), so I can't really get more than about 5 feet from the tower.

At the moment everything (Vocals, B/T's, Elec Guitar) sounds mushy, middly, dull,
and I just can't seem to get a crisp bottom end. (my B/T's sound great though other stereo systems)I'm wondering if it's a combination of Mono audio, and being too close to the L1.

How much tone difference will I notice once I get the L1 into a bigger room, and put some distance between myself and the tower?
 
Posts: 53 | Location: Coventry, England | Registered: Tue September 06 2011Reply With QuoteAsk Bose for help
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Hi johnny,

If you have been unsuccessful in getting the desired tone from the L1 by tinkering with the eq then it is very likely the room is causing interference that you just can't control.

You asked, "How much tone difference will I notice once I get the L1 into a bigger room, and put some distance between myself and the tower?"

I don't believe there is an easy answer to this question. Some sound is getting through the walls and some is bouncing back, some that is bouncing is creating interference that either adds or takes away certain frequencies. No way anyone could know for sure.

Do you have a bigger room that you could move into for a short rehearsal time? Just a 10 X 12 or 12 X 12 I think would make a noticeable difference.

O..
 
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As a quick experiment, move the L1 out into the garage and do a quick test of vocal and guitar out there and see what you think.

Just an idea . . .


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Hi Johnny Wildheart,

I can't tell you how much tone difference you will notice once you get the L1® into a bigger room (gig sized space) but I am sure that it will sound different and I'm quite sure you will hear an improvement.

In the meantime, does it sound better if you use one B1 instead of two?

Have you tried moving the B1s around to different positions in the room?

Is it better if you turn the bass level down?

quote:
Originally posted by johnny wildheart:
I'm yet to try the L1 (MII, B1 x 2, and T1) in a live environment, I've been confined to my studio (roughly 12" x 6"), so I can't really get more than about 5 feet from the tower.

At the moment everything (Vocals, B/T's, Elec Guitar) sounds mushy, middly, dull,
and I just can't seem to get a crisp bottom end. (my B/T's sound great though other stereo systems)I'm wondering if it's a combination of Mono audio, and being too close to the L1.

How much tone difference will I notice once I get the L1 into a bigger room, and put some distance between myself and the tower?
 
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Originally posted by Oldghm:
Hi johnny,

If you have been unsuccessful in getting the desired tone from the L1 by tinkering with the eq then it is very likely the room is causing interference that you just can't control.

You asked, "How much tone difference will I notice once I get the L1 into a bigger room, and put some distance between myself and the tower?"

I don't believe there is an easy answer to this question. Some sound is getting through the walls and some is bouncing back, some that is bouncing is creating interference that either adds or takes away certain frequencies. No way anyone could know for sure.

Do you have a bigger room that you could move into for a short rehearsal time? Just a 10 X 12 or 12 X 12 I think would make a noticeable difference.

O..


Thanks O, I'm going to try it out in a concert-size room in few weeks time, just getting a little frustrated.
 
Posts: 53 | Location: Coventry, England | Registered: Tue September 06 2011Reply With QuoteAsk Bose for help
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Originally posted by Tom the Guitar guy:
As a quick experiment, move the L1 out into the garage and do a quick test of vocal and guitar out there and see what you think.

Just an idea . . .


Thanks Tom, my studio IS/WAS the garage!
 
Posts: 53 | Location: Coventry, England | Registered: Tue September 06 2011Reply With QuoteAsk Bose for help
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quote:
Originally posted by ST:
Hi Johnny Wildheart,

I can't tell you how much tone difference you will notice once you get the L1® into a bigger room (gig sized space) but I am sure that it will sound different and I'm quite sure you will hear an improvement.

In the meantime, does it sound better if you use one B1 instead of two?

Have you tried moving the B1s around to different positions in the room?

Is it better if you turn the bass level down?

quote:
Originally posted by johnny wildheart:
I'm yet to try the L1 (MII, B1 x 2, and T1) in a live environment, I've been confined to my studio (roughly 12" x 6"), so I can't really get more than about 5 feet from the tower.

At the moment everything (Vocals, B/T's, Elec Guitar) sounds mushy, middly, dull,
and I just can't seem to get a crisp bottom end. (my B/T's sound great though other stereo systems)I'm wondering if it's a combination of Mono audio, and being too close to the L1.

How much tone difference will I notice once I get the L1 into a bigger room, and put some distance between myself and the tower?


Thanks ST, that's the re-assurance I was looking for. I will try your other suggestions later in the week.
 
Posts: 53 | Location: Coventry, England | Registered: Tue September 06 2011Reply With QuoteAsk Bose for help
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I'm hoping I can add to your reassurance. I've never really had my system in a space that small but I can imagine it would be a difficult environment for sure. This is a system that has been design so that the sound carries farther than a traditional speaker. So in a smaller room it's going to get bottled up. It would be kind of like shooting off a gun in a metal closet, the bullet is gonna go everywhere.
I can tell you for sure though that in a gig type space nothing sounds better or more crisp. backing tracks should sound amazing through your system. It has nothing to do with stereo, I've played many stereo sound source tracks through my L1's and the T1 does a great job of summing the tracks to mono and putting out amazing sound.
So barring any hidden settings on the T1 that we may be missing, I would wager that when you give the L1 a chance to get out and breathe it's gonna sound great.
Just to be sure that it's not any setting on the T1 maybe try going through and bypassing everything. Set the Tone match for "flat" under "utility" then scroll through all the other settings and just press the first control knob until each one says bypass, and then try playing some backing tracks through it. If it sounds much better, then go through and turn each setting back on one at a time until you find out which one is bringing the mud.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by johnny wildheart:
quote:
Originally posted by Tom the Guitar guy:
As a quick experiment, move the L1 out into the garage and do a quick test of vocal and guitar out there and see what you think.

Just an idea . . .


Thanks Tom, my studio IS/WAS the garage!


Then my suggestion would be . . .

Take it out to the backyard one afternoon and play a little.

It wasn't until I did that with my Compact that I was really able to figure out where/when I could use it best ~ by being outdoors I was able to roam around and hear the sound from varying places, really got to experience the volume drop off, etc.

Up until then I was always trying to figure out whether or not I could use the my L1 (in my case the Compact) instead of one of my conventional systems at certain places. I was really trying to find its "upper limit" so to speak.

I didn't stay out there much more than 30-45 minutes. All in all, a nice fun experiment ~ and the neighbors enjoyed the free concert, LOL.

Hope this helps.


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L1 Compact (x2)
Quilter MicroPro200 1x10
Quilter Aviator Ultralight 8

www.TomTheGuitarGuy.com
www.TomcatsBand.com
 
Posts: 234 | Location: SoCal | Registered: Wed February 08 2012Reply With QuoteAsk Bose for help
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quote:
Originally posted by Litesnsirens:
I'm hoping I can add to your reassurance. I've never really had my system in a space that small but I can imagine it would be a difficult environment for sure. This is a system that has been design so that the sound carries farther than a traditional speaker. So in a smaller room it's going to get bottled up. It would be kind of like shooting off a gun in a metal closet, the bullet is gonna go everywhere.
I can tell you for sure though that in a gig type space nothing sounds better or more crisp. backing tracks should sound amazing through your system. It has nothing to do with stereo, I've played many stereo sound source tracks through my L1's and the T1 does a great job of summing the tracks to mono and putting out amazing sound.
So barring any hidden settings on the T1 that we may be missing, I would wager that when you give the L1 a chance to get out and breathe it's gonna sound great.
Just to be sure that it's not any setting on the T1 maybe try going through and bypassing everything. Set the Tone match for "flat" under "utility" then scroll through all the other settings and just press the first control knob until each one says bypass, and then try playing some backing tracks through it. If it sounds much better, then go through and turn each setting back on one at a time until you find out which one is bringing the mud.


Just what I wanted to hear. Thanks!
 
Posts: 53 | Location: Coventry, England | Registered: Tue September 06 2011Reply With QuoteAsk Bose for help
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quote:
Originally posted by Tom the Guitar guy:
quote:
Originally posted by johnny wildheart:
quote:
Originally posted by Tom the Guitar guy:
As a quick experiment, move the L1 out into the garage and do a quick test of vocal and guitar out there and see what you think.

Just an idea . . .


Nice idea, Thanks!

Thanks Tom, my studio IS/WAS the garage!


Then my suggestion would be . . .

Take it out to the backyard one afternoon and play a little.

It wasn't until I did that with my Compact that I was really able to figure out where/when I could use it best ~ by being outdoors I was able to roam around and hear the sound from varying places, really got to experience the volume drop off, etc.

Up until then I was always trying to figure out whether or not I could use the my L1 (in my case the Compact) instead of one of my conventional systems at certain places. I was really trying to find its "upper limit" so to speak.

I didn't stay out there much more than 30-45 minutes. All in all, a nice fun experiment ~ and the neighbors enjoyed the free concert, LOL.

Hope this helps.
 
Posts: 53 | Location: Coventry, England | Registered: Tue September 06 2011Reply With QuoteAsk Bose for help
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