I'm a model 1 owner who recently bought a T1 to add to my system. I was dissappointed to find that some of the electric guitar presets I had become accustomed to on the original PB were not on the T1 (specifically "26 Miked Guitar Amp w/SM57, Rumbly" and "27 Miked Guitar Amp w/SM57, Normal"). I tried the SM57 preset on the T1 but it doesn't sound the same to my ear (although the zEQ controls were nice and allowed me to get close). Any suggestions?
If anyone uses a similar set-up to mine, I'd appreciate any tips you may have for getting your tone to come across. I use a Mesa/Boogie TriAxis preamp with a TC Electronic G-Force in the effects loop. When I'm not using the Bose, I put that all through a Mesa/Boogie SimulClass 2:90 power amp and into a Mesa/Boogie Stereo cab with two 12" speakers, one open-backed and one closed. The tone from this set-up is absolutely beautiful and I'm having difficulty approximating it on the T1. I've set up scenes using the SM57, the Flat EQ and the General Processor presets and none of them seem to come as close to my tone as # 27 did on the model 1.
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Hi Funk Broker,
This is not a solution, but a workaround.
You can still run your Guitar Rig direct to the Model I Channels 1 or 2, so you can use the presets you like.
(specifically "26 Miked Guitar Amp w/SM57, Rumbly" and "27 Miked Guitar Amp w/SM57, Normal")
You can also control the volume and tone with the R1 Remote if you want.
It's not as convenient but if you are already carrying that rack unit your priorities are elsewhere. My rack has a McIntyre Bluesmaker II amp with a TC Electronic G-Force in the effects loop. I don't carry it around as much as I used to.
I'm with you though - it would be nice to have those presets back in the T1™ for you.
Thanks ST. I have considered what you're suggesting but it sort of defeats the purpose of having spent a big wad of dough on the T1 in the first place. I bought it almost solely for the convenience of being able to control everything from an easy to see console mounted on my mic stand (well, that and ditching the compressor and reverb I had been using to treat my vocals).
Having played with the T1 a bit more since my original post, I have more to add to the discussion. I did a side-by-side comparison of the T1 Miked Amp w/ SM57 to #26 from the old presets (also Miked Amp w/ SM57). When plugged directly into a channel using #26, the tone is cleaner, clearer, punchier and more present than when using the preset on the T1. By comparison, the T1 sounds dull and maybe even a little fuzzy...I can hear a little more fur around the notes than when going direct into a channel using preset 26.
I also set up alternative patches using the T1's General Processor and Flat E. Guitar w/ zEQ. So far the Flat EQ seems to be best, but I have to bump all of the bands on the zEQ up alot, plus I'm adding generous amounts of 382 hZ on the parametric, and it still doesn't sound as much like my amp as #26 in the old presets with very moderate amounts of EQ. With #26 I would bump the bass and treble up slightly and leave the mids flat, but I'm having to add huge amounts of mid on the T1 to get a similar feel.
I know I'm not going to be able to recreate the spongy dynamics of a tube power amp by running the record out from a preamp into the Bose system. But I was getting better results with the original presets. Is anyone else having trouble? Is it possible that I have a defective T1? The very, very slight fuzziness I hear makes me a little suspicious, although I don't think I hear that when using the Flat EQ from the Utility category.
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Hi Funk Broker,
You should have your favorite preset #26 back very soon.
We are working on making all of the L1(tm) Model I legacy ToneMatch(r) presets available for download into the T1 later in the fall. We will make these available for download from this area on the messageboard.
Thanks, Craig. I do have a question, though: is the T1 Miked Amp w/ SM57 preset the same as #27 on the classic (also Miked Amp w/ SM57)? It's actually 27 that I've been using (I erroneously typed 26 in my post eariler). If those two are supposed to be the same, I can tell you that they don't sound the same to me. The T1 preset sounds dull, subdued, lacking in mid-range punch and the tinest bit fuzzy compared to the classic.
That being said, I have had success using the Flat E. Guitar zEQ preset so I think I'm fine now. Also, part of the problem may have been the trim on the channel I was using...the documentation recommended 2 but I've since found some info suggesting that 3 is now prefered. Raising the trim does seem to make a difference, (although the Miked Amp presets still don't sound the same to me).
I would also like to temper all of my complaining by registering my eternal happiness with all of the Bose products I have heard and owned. I've loved my classic system from the moment I bought it in April of 2004 and I appreciate your continued improvements to the L1 line. Thank you!
Hi Funk Broker,
Bose revised the recommendation for the Power Stand input level setting from 2 to 3. You mentioned you found this after some digging. If you found it in the wiki, that's great. If not, that golden nugget and other T1™ treasures is here:
T1™ notes in the wiki.
Preset #27 on the Classic/model I is the exact same curve as the 'SM57 Miked Amp' on the T1.
The two speakers (model I vs. model II) do have slightly different spectral qualities, but small enough that Cliff and I decided not to modify any of the presets for the two systems.
You have already come to the solution I would have suggested - use different presets and/or zEQ to get where you want to be.
As Craig said, look for the old presets to appear in a ToneMatch bank very soon.
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I have noticed that the "miked with an e609" is closer to the "rumbly 57" setting when using a 57. Oddly enough, the converse is true too (if using a 609, use the 57 setting).
The best way I can describe selecting which one to use is this: If you dial in the tone for your amp with the center of the cone facing directly towards you, your best tone will be true using the correct preset for the correct speaker. If you dial in your tone while standing above the amp or off to the side, try switching the mic preset to the one you're NOT using and you can get quite close if not straight on. Don't know why.
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