Hi there,
just about to get 2 L1 mkII's, after years of conventional pa gear.
Yahooo. Can't believe it really and i can't wait to try my tdw-20 out.

As DJ's use 2 L1's with stereo music i have come to the conclusion that,

as my TD-20 sounds are panned from nearly far left to far right

and

i love chorus on all my sounds except the bass drum, chorus messes with bass to much and makes my kick's thin.
With the chorus ( i use it so it broadens the tone of sounds , i have the speed slow, depth not to extreme and not to much effect send except the cymbals ) effect plus L1's the sound i hope is going to be super spacial. That's the way i like drums to sound, big and fat.

If a DJ uses 2 L1's in stereo some sounds will be in the middle and others left, right and both, so i figure that thats exactly the same for my TDW-20 kits.

Please give me some idea's on this.

Thanks Tom.

Your idea is very good in theory, I've never heard L1s live in stereo before, so I can't comment on that.
My electronic drumkit, a TrapKAT & TD-12, sounds great thru a Model II with a Packlite & 4-B1s.
I pan everything up the middle, and have a slight bit of ambience of a couple of the kits I use.
But mostly, the room will add reverb to the sound, so my main kits are dry.

Will there be other musicians tapping into the two systems as well?

Where do you plan to position the systems, how far right & left?
How many B1s will you be using for each L1?

Hey Drumr,
thanks for your response.
I will put the rest of the musicians in the L1 nearest them.

I think i'd like the L1's the recommended 7 feet apart and slightly behind me.

I will have 1 b1 per L1. Its all in the post now.
But i have 2 mb4's.
So thats like having 6 b1's.

I will bass line out from each L1 to an mb4. But i think i will put the 2 mb4's stacked behind me, as bass is omni directional it should be ok. That will an experiment for sure.

Stacking 2 mb4's with my 802 rig has got a brilliant bottom end so with the equivilant of 6 B1's i am really looking forward to it.

My first gig with it is this Friday.

Drumr do you ever have your L1 to the side? If so do you need the L1 6 feet behind as well?

Tom

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Originally posted by Tom simenauer:
....I will bass line out from each L1 to an mb4....

Note!The MB4 is NOT electrically equivalent to 2 external B1's -- the impedance is different and it does not provide the "B1 EQ" resistor across the 2nd pair of wires in the 4-wire connection required by the L1 System. However, since you are using the Bass Line Out, I presume you will be using an external amp to drive the MB4's ... that should be fine.

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... i think i will put the 2 mb4's stacked behind me, as bass is omni directional it should be ok.

Whereever you place the MB4's, put the B1's next to them also. Then you not only virtually eliminate the possible bass cancellation from separate sources, but you also get additional bass output (a little) due to acoustic coupling between adjacent bass drivers. The only caveat would be if for some reason the external amp & MB4's have a phase-reversal somewhere in their connection chain -- that should be obvious (aurally), and hopefully you can fix that by reversing one pair of the signal connections to the MB4s.

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do you ever have your L1 to the side? If so do you need the L1 6 feet behind as well?

No, even when it's possible to get the L1 that far away, I keep it within an arms length in most cases, maybe just a bit more.

In our trio, we keep the three L1s very close together...better for monitoring.

Here are some typical set up pics:

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Originally posted by Dan Cornett:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tom simenauer:
....I will bass line out from each L1 to an mb4....

Note!The MB4 is NOT electrically equivalent to 2 external B1's -- the impedance is different and it does not provide the "B1 EQ" resistor across the 2nd pair of wires in the 4-wire connection required by the L1 System. However, since you are using the Bass Line Out, I presume you will be using an external amp to drive the MB4's ... that should be fine.

Thanks for your reply Drumr. Yes, i am using a crown amp to power the MB4's.

I read in a post a month ago that the Bass line out from the L1mkII already has the "processed signal" for a B1, which makes sense when adding A1's and B1's through this.
IF this is the case, i would imagine that the MB4 will sound good with this processing and that using the Bose panaray controller with the MB4 preset would be unnecessary???

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... The only caveat would be if for some reason the external amp & MB4's have a phase-reversal somewhere in their connection chain -- that should be obvious (aurally), and hopefully you can fix that by reversing one pair of the signal connections to the MB4s.

I don't understand Phase-reversal.
But the amp is a standard Crown with no mod's and the lead's i use are top quality lead's that i suppose are wired the right way??? I can't say the sound i get out of the MB4's are thin, quite fat n' large in the main.

Thanks Tom