I have a question regarding using my L1 classic w/ 2 B1s with Roland e-drums (which is dedicated to me) in a live setting. I happen to use Toontrack Superior 2 (S2) VSTs drum samples (of real natural drum sounds) that I am triggering from e-drums and routing sound output to L1/2B1s. What I want to do is create pre-defined drumset presets within S2 for eq and effects that would generally match well the characteristics of L1/2B1s. I am discovering that S2 has really really good controls for eq, compression, transients, gates, bleed, ambiance, etc of each individual drum and cymbal - or global controls on entire kit. This gives me all the control I would ever need and more. I would send output to a channel on L1 with flat 00 with flat L1 remote eq. My question is:
What would be the best EQ/freq ranges and effects to use to best match L1/2 B1s for best sound. Like for bass drum, what freq range would be best for 2 B1s 80-100 Hz? gated?, snare 1k-3K?, toms ?, high-hat ?, cymbals 5K-?. I have no idea!!! Looking the rules of thumb type information.....
But, I have a great deal of control over the shape of the sound in S2. (My ultimate goal is to approximate the sound of well miked 70s type drum set - natural sounds with nice subtle bleeds between drums/cymbals.
I totally realize this is dependent upon the actual size, shape and other characteristics of the room. But I figure if I can get create a good starting point that atleast matches the Bose, I can tweek it for the specific room at the time of sound check. Also, if we play that same room again (likely), I would have a special named S2 preset for that room ready to go.
Wow Dan...tall order.
All I can say is trust your ears.
In the beginning of my relationship with the L1 and the Roland TD-12,
I had lots of ideas, but over the years have decided they are all subjective.
I first thought the factory kits were too reverby.
Then when I heard another V-drummer thru my L1s, on a cheapo kit he sounded great, with those stock kits.
That made me re-think my approach.
I got a new TrapKAT XL and had to re-do all my kits and sounds from pretty much the ground, up.
I'm doing things differently this time.
One thing, I'm not doing is messing with the TD's EQ/compression much.
Heads, tuning, muffling, and ambiance is about it.
More ambiance than before, maybe.
EQing has never been a strong point for me, so I avoid.
(That's why I LOVE Bose presets!)
I certainly hope some of our resident V-drummers who know more about this will join us.
Thanks drumr. I guess I will start with the 'default', 'natural' and/or 'dry' S2 presets, turn off the mid and far ambiance mikes, and maybe the overheads mikes then adjust eq bass, snare, toms and then tweak the rest to taste (by hear). One cool thing about S2 is that the drums were all miked in in a multitude of ways and you can control the levels after the fact. And the bleed level between mikes. So for example, with an acoustic set, when you kick the bass, you hear the the snare wires buzz/rattle a bit - you can do this with S2. Love that. Anyway, thank - I appreciate it - Dan
I've been hoping to post this when the proper topic came up and this looks like it.
I had loaned a friend of mine my L1 Classic/T1/2B1. When I went to pick it up he had his Roland TD10 drum kit plugged into the L1. He hadn't changed or customized any of the settings in the Rolland TD10 and the kit was sounding stellar. I checked the preset he had chosen for the drum kit and it was the High volume music preset.
He had the TD10 running right out of the box. No sound shaping at all just called up a sample and had it play. I didn't hear any clicking that other drummers have described in the forum.
The jazz samples sounded good (to me) and so did the rock kick he pulled up. (Mind you it had a bit more of an edge on it than the Jazz kick but that is to be expected I would think).
Neither one of the samples sounded... what I would describe as clicky.
I think you may want to try this preset with your Rolland kit it sure sounded nice right out of the box with the TD10.
I hope this helps
Thanks Starvin. I appreciate your observation. I will experiment a bit. I am not using the sounds generated by the roland TD module. I am triggering real drum samples in S2 software running on laptop. But, your experience is helpful and very encouraging. I have tried this at home in a small room and all sounds stellar.
So how do you like using the TD module for the trigger? Have you played live with this setup? I've been wondering what it would be like to play through S2. I have a TD12 now. It works quite well and I'm happy with it but the whole concept with S2 is where I think all of this is heading for e-drums.
6 piece band
3 M1L1 w/ T1s
6 B1s. 4 for vdrums and Bass
Roland TD-20X Vdrums
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