As DJ it's easy to get carried away with the low end, especially if we play a fair amount of dance music. Before I was a Bose user I was guilty of this bass obsession. I was also constantly told to "turn down the bass" at allot of my gig's. I thought it sounded awesome but the guests didn't always agree. I started getting a slight attitude about it saying "well I am JD Bass you know". This of coarse never went well. I felt that the crowd didn't understand what "well balanced sound" sounded like.

At every gig I would do I'd have at at least one 18" JBL SRX sub running 1600 watts RMS to it. Some times I would use two & once I used four (for a school dance). For weddings I started out using two, but eventually only would bring one because I'd have to turn it down every time. Even when using one, half the time I was asked to turn down the bass a bit anyways. At first it was insulting that even though I cut down to just one it was still to much bass for some people.

WoW, I feel like I'm in a confession booth! Anyway moving on- this went on for 2 years & then I found the L1 system.

Since I started using the Bose L1 systems at my shows I have had only two requests about the bass.

The first was a request to "please turn down the bass". At this gig where I was doing a Mock Wedding for the students of a local college. It was held at a hotel in a small banquet room & I had never played there before so I didn't know that there were rooms above me. I was using one L1 Mod. 1 with two B1's. The request came from hotel manager on duty. I simply unplugged one of the B1's & did not receive another complaint after wards. I did in fact run into her after the show & asked her how the bass was after I "adjusted" it, she said it was perfect.

The second incident occurred when I did a wedding at the AmericInn Conference Center here in town. I got the request from the hall manager who had seen me there years prior. First I'd like to say he is a young manager, I'd say Early twenties. He wanted to know "how loud" my new sub's could go. It turned out that he was one of the few who enjoys bone jarring bass & always liked hearing mine. I told him that I'd be playing a few hip-hop songs soon & for him to judge for him self. After I did, I went back to hear his report. He said that the sub could "hit as low" as my previous system but it wasn't quite as loud. I responded with, one of the reasons that we switched to this system was because we got so many requests from the guests to "please turn down the bass". I also added that "we are going for quality sound rather that overall loudness". He then said that he could hear the quality in the bass & that "the notes were very distinct & not jumbled together" like other systems that most other DJ's bring to the hall.

This being said I think part of the philosophy of the new Bose approach is to not blast the bass & offend, but rather hear & enjoy all the frequencies with no pain. The L1's fill the room with good clear quality sound & so do the B1's. I think that if you use an L1 system & then add other brands of sub's to get that chest thumping bass, you are missing the point of the new approach & in some ways fighting against it.

I have done allot of gig's with the B1's, sometimes using up to eight at a time. Could I use less, yes. I only use eight at high school dances with over 250 kids & in a full sized gym. I give them more because they want more & even when I use eight the bass isn't over bearing. For weddings I use two or four & one or two L1's depending on the room. For little weddings in small rooms I skip the B1's all together & use a Compact- but that a different topic.

In conclusion I think as long as your crowd is happy as DJ's we should be happy. I can truly say that after using the L1's/B1's for about a year the crowd has been very happy & so have I.

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Hey JD! Nice story. I had teh same problems with old system and my Prom gear.

Where do you draw the line as to how many B1's you use in any given situation? Size of room? Amount of guests? Type of venue (music played)?
Do you have a gig where there will be 300 guests and you say to your self. I'm gonna use all 8 B1's or do you walk into the ballroom and then make that decission?

Thanks for sharing that story.

It's great to hear of more DJs who are finally putting their own preferences (and in my case, ego as well) aside and beginning to hear what their clients are saying. The BIG sound, BIG bass simply has no place at many celebrations, especially those with a partially mature audience and where conversation between guests is a bib part of the gathering.

The thing I learned is that for every guest who complains, there are many more who, although annoyed, won't utter a peep of complaint to me. The thing is, they also will never refer me or call me for THEIR celebrations either, in fact they'll probably talk about all the things they DIDN'T like about my service to all of their friends.

What I've learned, along with my Bose systems has helped me convert those people into A-grade referrers of my service and I like it!

Good point Richard & in response to DJ Gaetano- typically the room is the largest factor. Most of the places around here are ones that I've played in before so I know what the acoustics are like. I think the second main factor would be the type of event it is. Next would be how many people will be there, and what is the age range-this will help determine what type of music will be played. I bring what I think I'll need & maybe a bit extra, that way I always have enough.

I always have two L1's or an L1 & a compact with me. I've gone to an event thinking I was going to use an L1 but ended up only needing a Compact & Visa-Vesra.

I can't wait to get a pair of compacts so I can sell my old school spakers.

Richard your so right and JD you had said it before, People stay longer when you use the Bose". I'm seeing it more and more. I wish I could use my Bose on a High School event but the marjorty of those gigs are 1000 - 2000 kids large so I would def need 4 L1s and 16 B1's

Guys I'll be brutally honest I do not see what you guys are experiencing with the b1s. I am craving for a momnet when one of you guys throw a party near where I live and experience what you guys are talking about. In my situation I kept buying and buying. I have 4 l1s and 11b1s with 3 packlites. I talked to dynamite about this an he said you have a killer setup but I'm not enjoying it as I should. You know that sense of yeah I own this and I'm the guy that runs all of these djs to the ground wih the sound. U guys know what I mean. A tiny bit of arrogance not like being a rude disrespectful person or anything but to the point where you know you have a quality produc and like to show it off. Sorry I'm typing on my iPhone so I might get a few typos.

I generally do south Asian parties. Indian parties for the most part and these guys always say that the mids are good and ven the highs are good but then they all show that hand gesture that I dred to see everytime. U know the one where they make a corny fist and have there hand in a 90degree angle and say "where is the punch?". Then I always say it's coming and get embarassed in my mind knowing that I have my master on my mixer high and the cue at like a level 10.

I guess cause I don't use the r1. Coul that be a reason y. I bought the imp pads the -20db ones and they are fair. I've tried the setting at 58 like most of you guys do and I've also taken out the imp pads and did what jd does with the attn but on the back of the Denon x500. Guys I'm lost and confused about this. That's y I bought the qsc hpr 151i. That sub knocks. Jd when I get back to jersey I'll do what you asked of me with all 5 of our mixers. You guys are great and I really do appreciate your understanding and tolerence. I guess I'm still learning and I've had these boys for over a year and a half.

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Hi Savan Shah,

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I guess cause I don't use the r1. Coul that be a reason

Try connecting the R1 Remote and cranking the Lows.

Does that help?

Sounds like audio overkill. Perhaps you want something the L1 cannot deliver.

I hate to say it but you and your audience just may not be the audience for the Bose L1 sound. I always say, if you are looking for the type of base that comes out of the back of a candy colored Nissan pick up truck, this ain't it! Others have come to that conclusion.

It’s a matter of taste and you gotta do what you gotta do. It’s like square pegs and round holes, nothing you can do will make it fit.

Maybe you should try tossing one or two 75lb subs into the mix. I’m sure someone here could suggest one.

Good luck my friend

Savan
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Originally posted by Savan Shah:
Guys I'll be brutally honest I do not see what you guys are experiencing with the b1s. I am craving for a momnet when one of you guys throw a party near where I live and experience what you guys are talking about. In my situation I kept buying and buying. I have 4 l1s and 11b1s with 3 packlites. I talked to dynamite about this an he said you have a killer setup but I'm not enjoying it as I should. You know that sense of yeah I own this and I'm the guy that runs all of these djs to the ground wih the sound. U guys know what I mean. A tiny bit of arrogance not like being a rude disrespectful person or anything but to the point where you know you have a quality produc and like to show it off. Sorry I'm typing on my iPhone so I might get a few typos.

I generally do south Asian parties. Indian parties for the most part and these guys always say that the mids are good and ven the highs are good but then they all show that hand gesture that I dred to see everytime. U know the one where they make a corny fist and have there hand in a 90degree angle and say "where is the punch?". Then I always say it's coming and get embarassed in my mind knowing that I have my master on my mixer high and the cue at like a level 10.

I guess cause I don't use the r1. Coul that be a reason y. I bought the imp pads the -20db ones and they are fair. I've tried the setting at 58 like most of you guys do and I've also taken out the imp pads and did what jd does with the attn but on the back of the Denon x500. Guys I'm lost and confused about this. That's y I bought the qsc hpr 151i. That sub knocks. Jd when I get back to jersey I'll do what you asked of me with all 5 of our mixers. You guys are great and I really do appreciate your understanding and tolerence. I guess I'm still learning and I've had these boys for over a year and a half.

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I feel for your problem Savan, you have awesome equipment & your crowd doesn't appreciate it at all. Just out of curiosity have you tried grouping all the B1's in the center between the two L1's? I'm just asking be cause in the pic you have on the "pics with 2 Bose" discussion- you have the B1's split apart in to groups of four. Also you are on a stage, this will also make your bass not as loud. Just a few thoughts.

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Once you get to 8 b1's, I think you would have to go to 16 to make a really significant increase in SPL.

ST, Lou, JD, J.G., Rain, I really appreciate your input guys.

ST, I'll do that when I get back home to Jersey this weekend from Maryland. Cause if this works, I'll wow my crowd in North Carolina next weekend.

Lou, I love my L1s so much, They are so attractive looking. I like the b1s a lot too but you guys know as much as me we have to entertain our crowd.

Rain, that is a crazy setup. are those subs powered?

JD, I did that same setup at a wedding expo about a month ago and it worked out nicely on top of a big stage. I thought people wrote if the system is higher than the sound of the whole setup would be better especially the b1s? I guess im mistaken.

J.G., That's what I'm thinking. Going that direction would make my system 5000 watts at a constant. I lika that idea haha. But I have to be realistic and should be practical too. Right now I have 4150 continuous from just bose. Putting the L1s together and 11 b1s together.

Guys do you know what the L stands for, for L1? Dumb question I know but my fiance asked me and I had no clue what to say to her. lol.

L = "Line Array".

I can try to find you a reference for that if you like.

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Here's a discussion.

http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/for...901004443#5901004443

No, the Growlers are not powered but what an amazing cabinet!!!!!

And so compact. It blows away systems I've heard with multiple, double 18 subs on the same wattage.

What are the rms' on those. Lol yeah the guys cheat was pounding on those.

If I just had to have a more powerful low end than 8 b1's could provied, I would look toward the bose mb12's.
It would probably complicate the system somewhat with amps and controller/crossover, but would probably be worth the trouble.

I think the sound quality of the bass would be comparable to the b1 sound, just a lot more heavy duty(powerful).

The QSC powered sub sounds like a viable approach that would seem to be fairly simple and straight forward.

Savan,

A number of posters here have replaced or added another sub for the same reason your audience is not totally satisfisfied. Unfortunately none have entered this conversation.
You may consider starting another thread with a title like, "What sub should I use to replace or supplement my B1's".

That's a great idea Lou. I just bought a l1 model 2 today. I'm going to setup my arsenal of l1s tomorrow or Tuesday just to show you guys what I have. I'll take a few pics.

Right now I have 4 l1 m1s and 1 l1m2 with 12 b1s and 3 packlites. What I am goin to do is downsize to 2 l1m1s and 2 l1m2s with only 8 subs. Now I think I over did it.

I agree with Savan. I have had no complaints from clients, but just my own experience. I would even say that for me the sound behind the L1's sounds more balanced between the highs. mids and low than it does in front, were the lows don't seem to be sufficient.

I have a friend locally that runs his L1's with JBL double 18's and loves it. He is much more technical than I am.

I have run mine with 2 B1's and with 4 B1's and did not notice a doubling of bass volume. That is why I am also hesitant to invest in packlites and B1's. I have also run them with and without the Tonematch.

For events bigger than 200 guests, I would rather just go back to my 802's and 502BP's. I have yet to try the 502's with the L1. Maybe someone could advise me here. Should I use the panaray controller split the frequences or take the Bass output from the L1 base and run it thru an amp to the 502's?

Just one other note. I am not looking for chest pounding bass. Just a good balance like I get from the 802/502 combo, but with the looks, weight and shorter setup time the L1/B1 combo allows.

First I'd like to say, invest in the other four B1's with the two Packlites. The bass response you get from eight B1's is a perfect match for the L1's. It sounds very balanced a full volume & at times even too bassy on some songs. The problem that Savan is having is very rare with us DJ's that run up to eight B1's, most of us are very satisfied- including me!

I would also like to add that adding a different sub will not give you as good of a balance of sound as the B1's can. This is mostly due to the fact that the B1's were created for the system & it shows. They are the perfect match for the L1 sound.

Savan, unless you don't get bookings because for what these few people have said I would say carry on. I would worry more about your performance than the amount of bass you have & your Bose L1 system will keep getting you getting gigs. Unless the of coarse the whole crowd stands up & shouts with one loud voice> where's the bass?- I would stay the coarse. It sounds like you are doing a great job, but trying to please the few rather than the many. You can never please EVERY ONE at the same time, simply imposable.

If you spend all this money & get a huge low end are you going to get more gigs? Are you now going to have too much bass & have to set up all for L1's just to have enough treble/mids to compete with the boom??? Just a few thoughts & things to consider.

Remember we are all here because we wanted the best sound quality available, if a few in your crowd don't appreciate the L1 systems quality- ask your self one question are they flippin' the bill, if they aren't the one paying you stay the coarse with the eight B1's & keep making the other 98% happy.

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