Is anyone using the L1 system with solo piano performance? I would like a read on sound quality with the L1 using a professional keyboard.

Hi dlmserve,

I am glad you joined us.

If you take a look through the various discussions here in the Keyboards forum you will find several discussions about using the L1® with various keyboards.

Please take a few moments to tell us about your music, the instruments that you play, your audiences and where you perform. This will allow people to respond more directly to your question.

Thank you.

I was hoping to REALLY get into solo piano w/ vocals. But after buying this, I really just use it as a stereo. I plug my ipod into it, and jam while I work (since I work at home). I also use it to practice my vocals. I play guitar and sing through it, but haven't had time to practice guitar in the past 6 months since drums, vocals, and piano are my priority.

I used a Yamaha CP300, Motif XS8, and an old Clavinova. I don't like anything except the clavinova and that only has headphone out. The others have balanced XLR, or 1/4" jacks, and I just don't like the sound. I would kind of be embarrased to play solo piano, or Yanni, with all that expensive equipment and have it sound like it does.

If you find a solution, I would love to hear about it.

My grand piano sound great when it is mic'd. It is just a bear trying to pick that up myself!

I'm currently playing my Roland RD-300GX thru a T1 module into my Model I PAS. I play "solo" piano along with drum beats I access thru a thumbdrive connected to the piano. The piano sound is pristene thru the Bose L1 (and B1 module). Peter Previte

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I used a Yamaha CP300, Motif XS8, and an old Clavinova. I don't like anything except the clavinova and that only has headphone out. The others have balanced XLR, or 1/4" jacks, and I just don't like the sound. I would kind of be embarrased to play solo piano, or Yanni, with all that expensive equipment and have it sound like it does.

You don't say what you don't like about the sound, but you like the grand piano (acoustic with mic, I assume) over the electronic pianos. I play a Kurzweil PC2X and love the sound, and it does not have internal speakers like your CP300 and Clavinova does.

When you play the grand piano, you hear a lot of the instrument itself. The Bose simply reinforces it. My idea for you would be to recreate that experience by turning up the CP300 volume all the way (leaving the internal speakers on) and you will get the same feel. You will play the keys with less force and velocity, making the sound less trebley and bright. I'll bet you think the sound from the L1 is too trebley and bright right now, don't you?

You might want to run two cables from the CP300 into channels 3 & 4 (if using the model I Bose) or two channels of the T1 (if using the Model II). Set the CP300 in demo mode and step back as far as you can to hear what it will sound like to the audience. I'll bet you will like it.

Cameron Hizer
Atlanta, GA

Well, you are right: The sound with most of these new keyboards is, it doesn't sound like a real piano. None of them. They sound WAY too tinny... There is a vibish sound. I think the B flat is the worst. I guess I am too picky first of all, but seeing how the technology should be much better today than 10 years ago, I might be taking it a little too seriously. I like a bright piano sound. But I don't like sounds that are added to the piano. Maybe they aren't "added", but they don't sound that good. I tried the demo thing, and it was much better, but still... not like a real piano, or the clavinova. When I play the clav, the speakers are off, so it's just the Bose. That sounds great. I wouldn't even DARE to try to play Yanni through my CP300 and the Bose. It just doesn't give me those feelings I get when I play on a piano, or the clav. It makes me feel like a geek (Even though I may be one).

I sold the CP300, and bought the XS8. So I can't try the CP300 anymore or I would give you an update.

However, I did record my vocal exersizes with the XS8, and it sounds much better recorded than through the (bose) headphones or speakers.

I may just be hard to please...

im fnding you have to TWEAK.... I have the Yammy S90es.... it can blow doors down when i put a bit of strings in behind the piano for 'body' reinforcement. I found you get lots of beef by putting a bit of the T1 compressor on medium...
Play with the parametric EQ till you find a nice sweetspot. The S90 does NOT sound tinny. I was at a music store yesterday.. and played the new Kurzweil PC3x.... under phones.. which gives a good idea... and the piano cant touch the S90es....
I wonder what the AUTHORIZED STEINWAY PIANO software from Garritan would sound like through the L1.... it has different perspectives such as... performer point of view... cross stage point of view... audience point of view.. on and on. Could be interesting. And if you say... you dont trust a computer onstage.... try museresearch.com and try the RECEPTOR.

Hi

I have an 88 key Yamaha with "accompaniment" features that I love ( rythem, voices, etc.) but it is much to heavy to take on gigs. Can anyone tell me if Yamaha has a lighter keyboard that possess Accompaniment features that I can use on a gig."
I don't think I need 88 keys but I need "accompaniment" features.

Thanks!

Until the keyboard companies come up with a mono piano sound sampled that they spend as time with as the "Stereo" samples, and get the phasing problem outa there, then the Bose (and many others) will be way better as it is not designed for stereo in the first place. (Geeeshh mono should only take half as long to do)
For now my GEM pRP7 is still good enough for me and my solo stuff... My 3 cents

Maybe.... just maybe.... the new FISHMAN SOLO AMP... will be great for adding stereo along side the L1 to all keyboards with stereo sampling.. its cheaper than buying another whole L1 system... and should probably look sharp side by each.. with a little distance of course.. seems to me this would be the cats *** n'est pas? and not taking up space too much. JUST a thought.. what'yall think?

Hi mysticradio,

I expect that the stereo source would have been produced specifically for matching systems for the left and right outputs.

At a glance, it looks like the footprint of the tripod base might actually be bigger than the L1® Power Stand. I could not find any specs on that though.

nope... i dont think you'd have to match anything but settings to get stereo.. but hey.. worth a try I just dont see why that 6 speaker system has to hvae such a widespread on the stand. And theres NO WAY 6 speakers are gonna outdo 24.. at least not in my mind. Their technology cant be THAT advanced. Mr. bose.. ever thinnk of putting a feedback eliminator in the next T series? huh? eh? eh? eh?

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Originally posted by mysticradio:
Mr. bose.. ever thinnk of putting a feedback eliminator in the next T series? huh? eh? eh? eh?

Are you having a problem with feedback?

O..

I'm using the T1 Module with my (Version I) PAS and am really happy with the combination thus far. As to the "feedback" eliminator topic, I was re-reading my T1 Owners Guide this morning and saw in the "Troubleshooting" section the suggestion of using the ParaEQ control to manually tune out the guilty frequency. Has anyone tried this this procedude yet?
Peter

Hi Peter,

Yes, I have used the ParaEQ to manually tune out the guilty frequency. I was doing that just yesterday as it happens. It works well.

We have some notes from Bill-at-Bose and others on how to use the ParaEQ in this way.

Using the T1 ToneMatch® Audio Engine Para EQ to Control Feedback

and more interesting tips for the T1®

T1 ToneMatch® Audio Engine Tips

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Originally posted by PJ Previte:
...using the ParaEQ control to manually tune out the guilty frequency. Has anyone tried this this procedude yet?

Yes, all the time, when micing acoustic piano. For me that's one of the real selling points of the T1.

Thanks for the responses on using the T1's Para EQ control to control mic feeback. I'll be giving it a try this coming weekend.
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