Hi, i like to know what the best results for settings on the audio engine are for the tyros 2. If you play the tyros 2 with his own speakers the sound is terrific. That is the sound i like to here from the L1 model 2. Can anyone pleaese help me ?

Hi roelof,

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Hi, Im playing the Tyros 2 along with two singers on Shure sm 58. What is the best setting for especially the tyros ?

Do you have a L1™ Model II now?

Do you have a T1 ToneMatch™ audio engine?

I don't have a Tyros 2, but I found a web page for it.

It appears that you have the option to connect your microphone to it. Are you doing that?

Hi ST,
thanks for your reply. All your questions i am answering with Yes.
Can you help me ?
I'll go to the web page you inserted.
Roelof

From the keyboard you are in stereo and right in the sweet spot... that makes the difference

Hi, Kramster
can you explain to me why life is good if i can't get the sound i want to ?

Roelof

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Originally posted by roelof:
...If you play the tyros 2 with [its] own speakers the sound is terrific. That is the sound i like to here from the L1 model 2...

How are you connecting the Tyros to the T1? Specifically, what kinds of cables and where are you connecting to the T1?

Regarding comparing the stereo built-in Tyros speakers and playing through an L1:

When you are seated at the keyboard, the built-in Tyros speakers will, for the most part, sound best to you, the Tyros player. That's most likely what the Tyros designers optimized the output sound for -- the performer.

Even if you had two L1's connected to the L & R output of the Tyros, it most likely would not sound the same to you, the performer.

But it wouldn't be worse -- only different.

Even with just one L1, however, most of the listeners will probably tell you that you sound better through the L1 rather than the Tyros by itself (or most any other external sound system, too, for that matter).

You can try this yourself:

-- In a moderate room (say, 15' x 30' or larger), set up the Tyros and the L1 (once we get the connection details worked out to ensure they are correct).

-- Turn the master on the T1/L1 completely off. Play something through the Tyros (e.g.: demo music built-in, or something you've recorded on the Tyros) at the volume that sounds correct to you at the keyboard. Then, get up and 'walk the room' while the music is playing. Listen carefully to the sound in different parts of the room.

-- Turn the T1/L1 volume up and turn the built-in speakers off, so the only sound is coming from the L1. (I'm not sure just how you might do that ... what you may have to do is turn the volume down very low on the Tyros and turn the T1 volume up, so that you can't really hear the Tyros because the L1 is so much louder.) If you have a 2nd person, the best way to do this comparison is to have them stand about 12' from you while you adjust the volume so that they can say "that's just about as loud as it was before".

Then, walk the room again while the music plays. It should sound different in different places than it did with the Tyros-only playing.

The larger the room, the more dramatic the differences.

Tell us what you hear.

Hi Dan,
Thanks for your reply.
I've connected the tyros with 2 line cables ( unbalanced or mono ) from output 1 & 2 ( from the tyros ) to the T1 4/5 input.

I am not saying that the sound is awfull but i like quality sound. My goal is a studio quality sound even if i know that that is merely possible. But the best match will be a sound of nearly that quality. I've done some digging (in the keyboard itself ), done some adjustments with its mixer and the sound quality is increasing. I'm still adjusting and looking for the best results. Any suggestions would be welcome.

Roelof

Hi roelof,

Thanks for using The Sketcher!

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Originally posted by roelof:
...connected the tyros with 2 line cables ( unbalanced or mono ) from output 1 & 2 ( from the tyros ) to the T1 4/5 input...

Hi, again, Roelof.

Just as a point of curiosity, if you only connect the Left/Mono output from the Tyros to T1-4, is the L1 sound any different than when you connect the second cable into the Tyros?? (Be sure that NO cable is plugged into the Tyros 'R' output when you try the "one-vs-two" connection test ... it is the absence of the 'R' connection which should cause the Tyros to create a 'mono' signal on the Left output.)

In theory, the sound should be the same ... it's possible the sound might be a little louder with two cables vs. just one, but once you adjust the trim to give the same "loudness", the "quality" or "character" of the sound should be the same.

I also assume you've done the 'gain staging' so there is a strong signal (e.g. peaks in the yellow) without over-driving the T1 inputs.

Suggestion: If you haven't done so yet, try some of the Presets in the T1. While there is a 'keyboard' preset, there might be some others which give the sound you're seeking. There have been a couple of reports by keyboard players who like the 'Accordian' preset on a keyboard.

Once you find a Preset (if any) that gets closest to "THE sound", then try some tweaking of the Zeq settings.

Before doing any of that, however, I personally would reset all the Tyros parameters to their default 'factory' setting, so as not to confuse any sound quality issues by having multiple tone-shaping stages active. After getting the best you think you can do with the T1, you can then further see (listen) to the changes various parameters in the Tyros have on the sound.

Sorry.. but my life IS good... I get the sound I love for piano through my PAS but not with any of my many Yamahas (Motif 6, ES rack, XS7, P 120...)going mono. Most of the other sounds from the Yamahas are fantastic because of the Bose.

Gladly done ST.

Hi Dan,
Yes i connected in both ways you suggested and the stereo connection is the best. The sound is somewhat wider because of the panning in the keyboard. The best match wich works for me on the scenes of the T1 is the Hohner. I will now try to connect with default parameter settings on the tyros and the T1. I'll let you know the results.
Thanks.

And yes Kramster,
You're right: Life IS good. Actually it gets even better.

And Bose stuff sure helps.

Hello!

I have a tyros 2....i need to know how is the sound for the tyros 2 into L1 Speakers.....and i need to know how much watts is L1....Can anyone pleaese help me.

Sorry for my english.

Hi, juliocesar: Welcome to your first post on this forum!

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I have a tyros 2....i need to know how is the sound for the tyros 2 into L1 Speakers...

I have not used a tyros 2 with the L1, but I am very confidant that the L1 will sound better than any other portable external amplification system for any room larger than a bedroom.

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...and i need to know how much watts is L1...

It can get loud enough.

I'm not being funny or teasing. Because of the unique design of the L1 (the physics of acoustics), you can't directly use "watts" to compare the sound-output of the L1 to a more conventional speaker.

To use an analogy: a conventional speaker might be like hunting with a spear. You can compare different "spears" by comparing their length, weight, sharpness and size of spear-tips, straightness, etc.

The L1 might be like hunting with a bow-and-arrow ... or a cross-bow. Smaller, faster, lighter, and in most situations a far better "hunting tool" than any spear.

How do you really compare the "things you can measure" of the spear to an arrow? What "measure" makes the arrow more effective than the spear? By shear "quantity", many measurements (e.g.: size, weight) might indicate the spear is a more powerful hunting tool ... but which is more effective at "bringing home the food"?

That's sort of what it is like to compare an L1 to conventional speakers.

For instance: The L1 Classic had 3 amplifiers rated at 250 output watts each. The Model 1 has only two. The Model II also has only two amps, but those two amps consume only half the input rated power of the Model I.

Yet all three models of the L1 produce the same amount of "acoustic output" -- they sound the same, and they all can get to the same "maximum loudness" ... really, really loud.

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Sorry for my english.

Your English is quite clear... no need to apologize.

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Originally posted by juliocesar: I have a tyros 2....i need to know how is the sound for the tyros 2 into L1 Speakers.....and i need to know how much watts is L1....Can anyone pleaese help me.

Hi juliocesar,

a friend of mine is using one L1 modell I with 1..2 B1's together with his Tyros 2 (and a guitar and a e-drums player) for over a year now and is very very happy with the sound and the coverage of the L1, - even without having stereo (what he had before with his PA).

I suggest you to test a L1 system and decide for your own.

Wolfgang

Hallo I have Tyros 2 and 2 L1 systems with
3 subs on each side and I connect directly
to the stand and then I can use the mixer in Tyros for better sound we are 3 man band
with 2 guitars on each side and I play drums and base with The Tyros and some other sounds
on both L1 We have lead vocal on right and other vocals on left I`m very pleased with the sounds on Bose Best regards Michael (No Name)