Hey guys;
i'm trying to hook up a TC Helicon Voicelive to my PAS by way of the insert with a Y cable. Anybody familar with this hookup to Voicelive?
No matter how I hook it up I don't hear the harmony settings on the voicelive. I assumed it was ring into the instrument input and tip in one of the outputs. Then I tried ring into the line input and the same thing. Then I reversed the cables tip input / ring output and still the same thing. I know the Voicelive is okay because when I go directly into the voicelive with my mic and then voicelive out to PAS I can hear the harmony settings. I just got the voicelive the other day so i'm just looking at the presets right now. Apreciate any advice.
Thanks!
Anthony

Hi Anthony,

Here is some information about the Bose side of things. I'll see if I can download the VoiceLive Manual.


You can try it both ways and maybe post what you find. I'd expect the Serial connection method to be the preferred approach.

Serial Effects - excerpt from the manual


Parallel Effects - excerpt from the manual

Hi Anthony,

Let's assume for a minute that you are using the Serial Connection method with a TRS "Y" adapter.

I noticed that the VoiceLive is setup for balanced inputs and outputs. Setting that aside for now... this should work.

From the
VoiceLive Manual on the TC-Helicon web site


Blue "Ring" is Send from the Bose System
Purple "Tip" is the Return to the Bose System

If you get things connected according to the two manuals, you should be able to hear your effects. Since you are running 'unbalanced' (and you really don't have an option to do otherwise) you may pick up some noise (but I doubt you will).

This message has been edited. Last edited by: ST,

Hi ST;

I tried going serial and tried the setup
you suggested as per the back of the Voicelive in your 2nd email. However, I did not use a balanced Y cable and I'm thinking that's the problem. I believe it should be balanced on all ends including the tip and ring like the following:

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/CYS105/

Let me know what you think.
Thanks!
Anthony

Hi Anthony,

I can't tell if that cable *is* an insert cable. It could be, but I can't tell.

If it is just connecting all the tips in parallell, all the rings in parallel, and all the sleeves in parallel, then I can't see how it would work.

Did you have a mic connected to the VoiceLive when you tried all this?

I think I remember reading that if you have a mic connected it overrides the other inputs.

We may have to to wait until someone else who has done this joins the conversation.

ST;

Its a Y cable but I can't tell if its an insert either. I connected the mic to the PSA channel 1 directly and plugged the insert into the "insert" on channel 1. Then, plugged in the tip and ring accordingly to the voicelive. I didn't have the mic as input to the voicelive. I'm waiting to hear from TC Helicon on this also.
Thanks
Anthony

Hey ST;
Got it going now. I had the mic input button
pushed in on the back of the voicelive.
Of course, I wasn't plugging the mic into
the voicelive so I shouldn't have done that
going the insert route. The pains of learning new gear! Thanks,
Anthony

Hi Anthony,

Thanks for the update. That one gets files away somewhere for future reference.... for sure.

Do you any difference compared to running
mic -> VoiceLive -> Bose System
???

Hey ST;
Used the voicelive last night at a gig mic -> VoiceLive -> Bose System and it sounded great.
Still playing around with it so I can't comment right now on noticeable differences. I'll let you know.
Later
Anthony

Anthony - You solved the problem. I had a similar situation and then remebered since I am pluggin into line ion I need to release the mic button. Anyhow,I have also found that using the VL as an insert even when going through a mixer sounds better than putting a mic through the VL. Don;t know why, but I no longer get the "phasey" noise when I am not singing into the mic and would exepct dead silence. Insert seems to work much better.

I am new to this. If I use the Insert Cable into Channel 1 insert on the Bose and I am not running the mic into the voicelive. Where do I plug the mic in?

Hi Bud,

quote:

Originally posted by Bud:
I am new to this. If I use the Insert Cable into Channel 1 insert on the Bose and I am not running the mic into the voicelive. Where do I plug the mic in?

You plug the mic into the Channel 1 input (same as you would if you were not using the VoiceLive). If you haven't used that input before, it will accept either an XLR or ¼ inch input.

Hi guys. Just reading this forum after buying PAS last week. I've got the tip/ring thing figured out but speaking of dead silence - where is it? I notice quite a bit of "white noise"(?) coming from the l1 when the remote master gain is at 12 or higher and this is without any external equipment incorporated into the chain.
I also noticed that the system brings out the best in great gear and the worst in not so great gear.
I can no longer use two pedals I have always used because they are so noisy! I never noticed that on any other system and I have played them through MANY. Is this common to the Bose system or did I get a bad one? Thanks, Ed.

Welcome, Ed! Congrats and thanks for your purchase! Might you tell us a bit about how you learned of our products and how you're using them - instrument(s), mic, etc.?

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I notice quite a bit of "white noise"(?) coming from the l1 when the remote master gain is at 12 or higher

I remember getting that same sort of noise from my old PA gear, especially at louder settings. (With optimum gain-staging, a setting near or above 12 on the R1 and things are definitely getting LOUD). The difference with my Bose system is that the hiss is no longer confined to being heard only on axis. For most of my gigs, the R1 Master is well below 12 and hiss is a non-issue. When I do need to crank things that high, the music easily masks the hiss so that neither I nor my audience are distracted by it...

You're right - the L1 is very honest, sometimes brutally so! I'm hearing things in my vocals that I never heard before, not all of them desirable. Hearing this clearly actually makes me want to improve my vocal technique! What pedals are you finding to be problematic? We might be able to suggest ways to better optimize each stage of gain, to squeeze the most possible clean signal out of them...