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Here is another compelling benefit of the Personalized Amplification System.

Last night when I got home from the gig, I unloaded the car, and without a moment's hesitation, I set up the L1™ so it would be ready to go for practise/rehearsal. Okay it was simple because I have the (microphone cable, line in, power, remote) sitting where I normally set up the L1™.

There are a couple of reasons this is good (for me).
- I am playing/singing a lot more since getting the L1™ (enjoying both more), even at home.
- It is important to me to emulate the performance mindset, when rehearsing.

My point... With the L1™ , you can set up your performance environment (at home) in a snap. I used to come home from a gig, and shove all the pa gear into its storage space, because it was inconceivable to drag it in, and then set it up again. Eventually I bought a second pa system that I left permanently ready to go, and an identical system I took to gigs. This eventually included guitar amps and processors. Over the top perhaps but...

Here's the benefit: You have to store the L1™ somewhere when not performing. It only takes a few moments to "store" it assembled and ready to play.


A few thoughts that might explain why this is important to me.

Do you practise or do you rehearse?

In her brilliant book You Are Your Instrument Julie Lyonn Lieberman tells us (paraphrasing) that in those moments of performance anomie, that sense of being lost or out of place, most musicians unconsciously revert to "practise mode". She advises us to practise purposefully, as though rehearsing, as though performing. Why? So in those moments in performance, where we lose our sense of the immediate, we can revert to the state of mind in which we rehearse - committed, engaged, and performing for the audience.

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Hello ST,

I think this is an exceptionally perceptive and thoughtful comment. It gets at the deeper part of being a better musician.

If I may take the converse of what you're saying as a way to further illustrate your point, to NOT rehearse on the same amplification as that which you use when playing out, strikes me to be as much a handicap as not playing on the same INSTRUMENT in rehearsal.
 
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Hi Ken,

Along the same lines, while we are talking about musicianship:

It is an odd phenomenon that I have invested more time rehearsing with the L1™ in the little time since I got it, than (shame on me) I had in the year prior.

Since I am enjoying the act of performing more, there is a greater motivation to get to that mindset in rehearsal and do it more often.

Also - the
"rush home after the gig and setup the L1™"
behaviour conveys another benefit.

If I have done any experimentation in the way I used the L1™ at the gig, I can setup things the same way at home (while I still remember what I did).

This helps me to understand the system, and gives me a chance debug and/or document any changes.

Ken, thanks for your part in bringing the Personalized Amplification System from concept to product, and eventually into my hands.

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also st, mine is set up when i arrive home also, for much the same reason. and its always good to have it up, its kinda like guitars. i know they say one should always keep em in the case. but i have always found, if i leave em out, i am always playin em. if i put em in the case, well guess us musicians are lazy. it takes an effort to unpack the guitar, nothin to reach over and grab it and start playin'...so i agree not only is it fun to experiment, knowing for the most part what you come up with at home will translate close to what happens at the gig( albeit some tweaking maybe for volumes and eq)..and its great just to crank some music through it now and then.
its a good way here in the apt if someones stereo is too loud, to let em know who's boss :-)...kinda like havin your own musical weapon :-)
was just thinkin as funny. can you imagine the middle of the nught a burglar comes a prowlin in, and ya hit em with the full db of this thing? i';m sure it would stop em in there tracks :-)
 
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ST,
Like you, I always set up my PAS at home after gigs or practice. Unfortunately, the PAS penetrates the house like it's made of cheesecloth, so I can only enjoy it when my wife is working nightshifts and my children are very asleep. It just sits there, tall, dark and lean, teasing me day after day!!!
 
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From ST's original post:
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Here is another compelling benefit of the Personalized Amplification System.



I just had an afterthought.....If your PAS is set up when you're home, why not use it as a studio monitor? I have a digital recording studio that is full of bits and pieces of original material....every now and then something gets to the point where it requires "mixing down". I have found the PAS to be as sweet as it gets for this purpose. A couple of lines out of the studio into inputs 3 and 4, and I get an amazing sound canvas all laid out in front of me ready for tweaking. Beats hell out of using my car stereo for a studio monitor. Most good recordings are at least checked in mono, why not check your stuff in "primo mono". Versatility, portability, reproduceability, and the finest live sound around! Bose PAS is "the Bomb".
 
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Season's greetings, Holiwil, ST, wfs and all the cats at sea

Here are some excerpts from an internal document ("Musicians' Info Universe")I wrote 25 years ago (so it seems, actually it's less than a year ago) about folding this versatile system into the rest of you musical life, like in the studio, listening for pleasure, etc. For $4k or so, you have a total killer hifi system that will rival anything you can drag in from the pro audio shop. Plus, it's done. No science project, bones&feathers "tuning" drama and wiring adventure. It's done, plug and play into the flat inputs. Get rid of your "reference monitor" and kleenex static filter. It almost sounds too good to be true, but it isn't.

And, well, yeah, it's not really that simple after all. All rooms will have "room modes" that are particularly annoying in the 80-250 Hz region, so you might have to tweak a bit with, say, a 1/3 octave if you have good ears. On the other hand, a little moving about of the system can get rid of a lot of this. I'd say keep the system close to the console area and away from the walls and you should be pretty cool. Is anyone doing this now? Any results?

What about me? (You're probably saying "is this guy a 'do as I say, not as I do?'") Well, I only have one system and it's packed and ready to flip into the trunk of the Camry (not the Cobra, won't fit). My studio is the home of Mighty Boy, which I worked long and hard on, and always satisfies. But I have listened often to the PERSONALIZED AMPLIFICATION SYSTEM™ in stereo, and it's a real serious system with a huge sweet spot (Mighty Boy does not have this), due to the gradual rate of spl falloff with distance. Anyway, if you have 2 systems, I think you are missing out on a real treat keeping your system packed up. Here's the 2 excerpts:

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It almost seems silly to store your PERSONALIZED AMPLIFICATION SYSTEM™ with the rest of your show gear when you can listen to music with it. A pair of the single-bass systems will be a very inexpensive way to acquire a state-of-the-art reference and monitor system for a recording studio or home stereo system. You will never use the full output of the system, so listening fatigue will be minimized. This also serves as an excellent alternative to storage, as in the example of a small apartment. If you do this, you will also spend a lot more time getting to know the system’s sound. It’s like getting used to a new paintbrush; the more you use it, the better you will be able to use it.

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Above and beyond its use in live entertainment, the PERSONALIZED AMPLIFICATION SYSTEM™ serves as an ideal, general-purpose high-fidelity sound system of exceptional quality and depth. Its wide polar pattern, unusually even distribution and wide bandwidth makes it an ideal 2-channel stereo reproduction system. Because of the slight change in sound level with distance, there will be a larger stereo “sweet spot” in the middle of the listening area. In addition, its high output makes it a system that will not complain during high level peaks, thus dramatically reducing listening fatigue. An almost-unique advantage to the musician who owns two PERSONALIZED AMPLIFICATION SYSTEM™ systems is that it can be taken home from the performance and set up in either a living room or a recording studio. This also solves a major problem of storage for the musician with limited space. If you take good care of it, this attractive equipment can be proudly set up in any environment, in contrast to the “pile of bulky, dirty, black things” that is normally dragged back home from the gig. When thus integrated into a sonic artist’s life, the PERSONALIZED AMPLIFICATION SYSTEM™ becomes a true audio reference for all sonic activities. This includes being a home entertainment system as well as a studio monitor system for mixing. The high output of the system will never be fully used in a lengthy mixing or listening session (way too loud), so the listener will experience almost-unlimited dynamic range listening. This will be especially useful in the studio for “detailing” work while specific instruments are listened to in “solo” mode.
 
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Cliff,
Thanks for sharing that.

Does that mean that you have been dreaming of the Bose Personalized Amplification System™ family of products for twenty five years?


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i had in the beginning considerd 2 systems, and actually tried 2. it was a wonderful stero to say the least. and although i though it just too much of a luxery at the moment, a stereo piano was just incrfedible run through it.
tha being said, i had also though of using it as the front end of a surround system.
i had discussed it with hilmar, but really could figure a good way to hook it up as far as the sub channel from a 5.1 receiver.
my best thought was to just leave the sub out, and use the front end bose with the pas hooked left and right with the subs attached would probably be plenty of bass. but not have the control of the sub level from the receiver.
i still havent ruled it out, and may still get another pas in the future. but if i did, what would bose reccomend using as a center channel speasker, and surround speakers to match the pas if they were used for the front end of 5.1. just curious.
also, any more word on the presets and possible software for adjustments by user?
i would really be interested in that. thanks...
 
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I think this would be a stunning 5.1 system with a huge audience area for The Good Stuff. I can see a big outdoor screen, seating for 200 and the 5.1 system you are suggesting.
 
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yea, or even a system for the imax stuff. i remeber reading somewhere , i think it was in california whee they actually showed film on a spray of water or something like that. rhey used some kind of sprinkler, and were able to use it as a huge screen. does any one remember anything like that? i sorta saw it, and then didnt hear much about it.
also by the way of using bose for a rference source. i think the pas is an excellent system set flat to really hear any piece of equipment or instrument. one can really here the characteristics and it really helps to hear what an instrument really sounds like as is. it gives one a realy good idea of what sound they are actually dealing with, and how to adjust or compensate from there. either through the pas, or any other piece of equipment. hmmm. i guess there is still other equipment out there. but i imagine some of it may have it's days numbered :-)
but yea, if any one has any ideas on how a pas 5.1 might be set up would be nice to know. i guess simply one could just use 5 pas systems. front , center, and surround left and right?
 
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Hi ST,

You made this post 2 weeks before I joined the forums...so I missed it. Thanks for linking to it from your recent post on Simulation ...another excellent post.

I find that I do this same thing, bringing my gear in the house and setting it all up, even after a gig at 2 in the morning. It's just about as easy and more fun than unloading the van into the garage used to be. I can do it all in about 30 minutes, and it's time well spent as I wind down.
 
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